What's Worse: Pacquiao draining Cotto by 2 lbs, Or Ward draining Dawson by 7 lbs?

[KnockUTheFukOut]

not even the same...neither Ward or Dawson are being FORCE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER

unlike Cotto and Pacquiao who was under top rank at the top, what ever Arum wants, that is what they have to do with no questions ask or Demands

this match on the other had, Dawson was the one that wanted this fight and Dawson was the one that said "I CAN MAKE 168 NO PROBLEM"...nobody is forcing him to do anything THIS IS WHAT HE WANTED!

So this is a FAILED COMPARISON!

[Bushbaby]

How are they not worse, please explain.

PWill has initiated more CWs than Pac, including one for the lineal belt. Cotto requested a disgraceful one vs Marg, and just expressed interest in meeting wbo interim mw champ at 156. I don't see hundreds of your posts in the related threads, in fact where are those threads?

Like I said if you believe that the Cotto catchweight was where my problems with Pacman & his catchweights lay, you are terribly misinformed.

Now on this particular tread topic, there are obvious problems with ts's comparos. Cotto was forced to by arum & the sanctioning bodies & couple that with the fact that Pacman chose Cotto in 2012 & still wanted a ridiculous catchweight makes it far far worse.

[HeroBando]

Like I said if you believe that the Cotto catchweight was where my problems with Pacman & his catchweights lay, you are terribly misinformed.

Now on this particular tread topic, there are obvious problems with ts's comparos. Cotto was forced to by arum & the sanctioning bodies & couple that with the fact that Pacman chose Cotto in 2012 & still wanted a ridiculous catchweight makes it far far worse.

OK I thought I maybe could get one post out of you condemning those disgraceful cws, no luck. Not that surprising, I guess they were missing an ingredient.

Didn't Pac want Cotto 2 at 147? How's that a cw, isn't it the Dawson Ward situation, except Dawson wants it and Cotto doesn't? Oh, and Cotto actually was at his best at welter, and just asked for a 150 cw against Marg. Dawson has zero credentials at 168.

[Bushbaby]

OK I thought I maybe could get one post out of you condemning those disgraceful cws, no luck. Not that surprising, I guess they were missing an ingredient.

Didn't Pac want Cotto 2 at 147? How's that a cw, isn't it the Dawson Ward situation, except Dawson wants it and Cotto doesn't? Oh, and Cotto actually was at his best at welter, and just asked for a 150 cw against Marg. Dawson has zero credentials at 168.

See, the thing is you're fishing for something that isn't there. For the last time, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE COTTO FIGHT WAS MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH PACMAN & HIS CATCHWEIGHTS YOU ARE MISINFORMED.

My problem with Pacman started with the Margarito fiasco, not the Cotto catchweight.

[george benton]

OK I thought I maybe could get one post out of you condemning those disgraceful cws, no luck. Not that surprising, I guess they were missing an ingredient.

Didn't Pac want Cotto 2 at 147? How's that a cw, isn't it the Dawson Ward situation, except Dawson wants it and Cotto doesn't? Oh, and Cotto actually was at his best at welter, and just asked for a 150 cw against Marg. Dawson has zero credentials at 168.

Yep and Cotto said he refuses to be drained again.Dawson requested 168 and ward obliged???Manny demands catchweights and if his demands are not met it is a deal breaker............how hard is this to understand?

[HeroBando]

Yep and Cotto said he refuses to be drained again.Dawson requested 168 and ward obliged???Manny demands catchweights and if his demands are not met it is a deal breaker............how hard is this to understand?

How is 147 a catchweight?

[HeroBando]

See, the thing is you're fishing for something that isn't there. For the last time, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE COTTO FIGHT WAS MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH PACMAN & HIS CATCHWEIGHTS YOU ARE MISINFORMED.

My problem with Pacman started with the Margarito fiasco, not the Cotto catchweight.

But you've still somehow made 100s of posts about this cw that you didn't really have a problem with.

What's the cutoff for getting on your **** list, btw? Cause the guys I listed were all involved in multiple ones.

[Tmann400]

There's really no comparison between the two situations. Cotto was forced to come in at a catch weight or NO fight. This is not only at an ACTUAL weight class, not a catch weight, for one. But, Dawson has been saying for years, even before Ward was in the equation that he would go down to 168 for a big fight if he couldn't get the big fights at 175, and given the fact Cloud and Pascal are tied up fighting each other, Dawson really had no one else to fight at 175 that was lucrative, or would big a big enough money fight for him. Dawson has said for years that 168 is not an issue, at all. Even his fans will tell you that. Dawson's conditioning coach has insisted the as well, that it wouldn't be an issue, for two.

Also, Dawson called out Ward, and insisted that he would be happy to go down to 168 and challenge Ward. At the press conference, Ward insisted that having the fight at 175 was purely on the table. That it would be no issue for the fight to be at 175, whatsoever. I think Dawson WANTED the fight at 168, and here's why. Dawson knows that his belts will NOT be on the line, although Ward's will be, so he has NOTHING to lose in that department. He knows that if he loses, that he'll have nothing to lose and will likely have an excuse. Dawson has A LOT more to lose if the fight takes place at 175 rather then 168, and he realizes this, and so does his management. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out fellas. Think about it.

Like I said, Dawson has been saying for a long time that 168 was being looked at in a serious manner due to the fact he knew that there wasn't much left at 175, and all the big fights were at 168. I don't think someone who would struggle badly to make 168 would be saying for years that going down there was a very viable option, and say that fighting Ward at 168 was perfectly fine with him. If he DOES indeed struggle badly to make the weight and it effects him, that's HIS fault and his managements fault for making the fight there, period. If he was going to struggle, he should of never stipulated that the fight being at 168 was perfectly fine.

Also, if Dawson and his management didn't want the fight at 168, believe you me, Gary Shaw would not of allowed things to go there, they either wouldn't have taken the risk or have taken the fight, or they would of negotiated the fight to be at 175 or a lucrative catch weight. People need to stop acting like "poor" Dawson is being shafted, and poor this, and poor that.....Please. Shaw and Dawson, going by their demeanor's and attitudes, there was no "foul play" in negotiations. We'll see if what Dawson has been saying for years about making 168 easily is in fact true at the weigh-in. Just my two cents, like I said before, you can't even compare the two situations, they're completely different.

[#1Assassin]

pacquiao draining cotto is obviously much worse.

dawson chose to fight at 168, he wanted to do it. nothing wrong with ward agreeing to it. a man wanted to challenge him for his title and he let him as a great champion should. on top of that the fight is at a real weight, not some bull**** catchweight.

pacquiao on the other hand forced a great champion to defend his title below the real weight. as a challenger what kind of right should he have to force a champion to do such a thing? what kind of champion does he become winning the belt under those circumstances?

145 isnt a weightclass either, you want to be WW champion you should fight at the WW limit. a title fight at a catchweight is a joke, a WW champion doesnt just have the responsibility to weight under 147 he has the right to weigh up to 147 as well. take that away and the title shouldnt be on the line. but pacquiao used his finanicial leverage to make sure it was, give himself an advantage and steal a belt through boxing politics. disgusting.

how can anyone compare dawson-ward to that? it isnt at a catchweight so its a legit title fight. the man making the potential sacrifice was the man who chose for that to happen. and he isnt doing it to get the fight the way cotto had to, hes doing it to get the title. one great champion challenging another at a weight teh both want to fight at, nothing wrong with that at all.

[bare knuckle]

How is 147 a catchweight?

Cause Cotto fights at 154 not 147