if every fighter fought out the philly shell would boxing be boring

[MalikKnucklez]

The hardest style for street fights seem to be the Roy Jones, Martinez style of fighting with your hands down, atlest it has worked for me.

the most effective style for a street fight is fighting with your hands down?

[BoxingFollower]

This applies to any style in boxing. Variety, it's why we watch it. Also, very few other international schools teach it. The style wouldn't be conducive to a lot of Mexican-styled fighters, European high-guards, etc.

You can't even walk into a Cuban gym down here with a Philly Shell defense lol. They'll straight up refuse to train you. Especially in the amateurs

It's very much so a Black American style. It's what makes it unique and its why we watch it

But what if that is what is comfortable to you? I dont think everyone who uses it is trying to copy a pro..Me personally fighting with my hands down is comfortable and seems to allow easier timing.

[BoxingFollower]

the most effective style for a street fight is fighting with your hands down?

Well not for everyone...but for me.. I have found that alot of guys have a hard time blocking or dodging a hit that they can't see coming from either direction.

[MalikKnucklez]

But what if that is what is comfortable to you? I dont think everyone who uses it is trying to copy a pro..Me personally fighting with my hands down is comfortable and seems to allow easier timing.

Let's not confuse fighters like Roy Jones & Martinez for fighters like James Toney & Floyd. I'm not sure which you are referring to here.

In either case, both styles rely heavily on advanced natural reflexes and physical ability. Something that the majority of fighters walking into a gym don't possess. These type of styles are styles u develop gradually, because like u said, it's "comfortable" for certain fighters.

It'd be dumb for a trainer to negate the basics when beginning to instruct his pupil. You wan't a fighter to be well versed in the fundamentals of both proper offensive & defensive strategy & maneuvering before he decides he wants to fight with his hands down. This is why most trainers don't "teach" this style. If a fighter has it, they just develop it.

Because if u don't develop these basics...once ur physical abilities begin to fade, so will ur career. Roy is a Prime Example.

[SpeedKillz]

if anyone here that actually boxes has gotten into a street fight, and have not subdued their "opponent" with the greatest of ease, should immediately seek more professional and expensive help. firstly, street fights are beyond silly and ******, for those people who fight that is, since it is not a test of how tough you are, it is the equivalent of a high school senior giving a 6th grader a wedgie. and the guys that boast about it clearly have no real fighting abilities.

in a street fight, doesnt matter if my hands are up, in the philly shell, peek-a-boo, whatever, I probly wont even realize Im in a street fight cause the ease of domination will barely be an afterthought, since we are TRAINED. lol @ this thread...

[BoxingFollower]

Let's not confuse fighters like Roy Jones & Martinez for fighters like James Toney & Floyd. I'm not sure which you are referring to here.

In either case, both styles rely heavily on advanced natural reflexes and physical ability. Something that the majority of fighters walking into a gym don't possess. These type of styles are styles u develop gradually, because like u said, it's "comfortable" for certain fighters.

It'd be dumb for a trainer to negate the basics when beginning to instruct his pupil. You wan't a fighter to be well versed in the fundamentals of both proper offensive & defensive strategy & maneuvering before he decides he wants to fight with his hands down. This is why most trainers don't "teach" this style. If a fighter has it, they just develop it.

Because if u don't develop these basics...once ur physical abilities begin to fade, so will ur career. Roy is a Prime Example.

I think its a bad idea to try to change someones fighting style to suit the trainer, I had a trainer that tried to make me box in a orthodox stance and it was terrible. But then again im a right handed and sometimes may box in a southpaw stance...once again comfortable.

[Atreyu Khalil]

answer to this thread is yes, lol, every fighter fighter fighting the same way in a sport called the sweet science, wheres the science in that, boxing would be a defensive piece of ****

IMO there are more fighters that are in boxing who have yet to master the sweet science.

[MalikKnucklez]

]I think its a bad idea to try to change someones fighting style to suit the trainer, I had a trainer that tried to make me box in a orthodox stance and it was terrible. But then again im a right handed and sometimes may box in a southpaw stance...once again comfortable.

That's not what I said. And if someone is just learning how to box, they don't HAVE a style. the trainer is there to instruct and develop. If I were to tell my coach the first day of practice "nah coach this isn't my style, i'm not comfortable" i'd get smacked in the back of my head, as i should.

Virtually every right-handed person in the world would want to box Southpaw once they begin, because instinctively we all want to have our power-hand up front. This gets corrected because for the most part, it's IMPRACTICAL. After u tune them, most right handed folks would never want to fight southpaw again. Other fighters, in the example of Cotto etc. will keep their power hand up front to suit their style. Again, that's something that develops AFTER learning the basics. And that's fine.

A trainer teaches a fighter the fundamentals, as a fighter develops, then tweaks will be made to work around that fighter's specific strengths & weaknesses. THIS is how style's get made, based on Ability/Competency & Effectiveness, not comfort.

If it was up to me, i'd be the next Whitaker & Roy Jones stylistically lol, but that's just not the case. I know my tools after years of being in this sport, and i work around them. The trainer trains the fighter, not the other way around.

[Biolink]

if anyone here that actually boxes has gotten into a street fight, and have not subdued their "opponent" with the greatest of ease, should immediately seek more professional and expensive help. firstly, street fights are beyond silly and ******, for those people who fight that is, since it is not a test of how tough you are, it is the equivalent of a high school senior giving a 6th grader a wedgie. and the guys that boast about it clearly have no real fighting abilities.

in a street fight, doesnt matter if my hands are up, in the philly shell, peek-a-boo, whatever, I probly wont even realize Im in a street fight cause the ease of domination will barely be an afterthought, since we are TRAINED. lol @ this thread...

Street punches are so damn slow lol. Dudes loading way the **** up, squared up, chin straight in the air and off balanced lol. I'll be damned if I lost in a street fight unless the guy was just that much bigger, and even then I wouldn't be going down easily.

[Banderivets]

The philly style(i'm not even 100% sure what you're referring to-there are different kinds of philly fighters) isn't very good offensively and is very ineffective if your opponent chooses to avoid leading and being countered.

This.

All the opponent has to do is stop falling into the trap of attacking the guy in the shell.

Let the fans boo, stink it out, but dont fall into the trap of being an offensive fighter against that style.

Let's say I'm an orthodox fighter, I'd simply press forward and try to pop the jab extended like Roy did against Toney....Just pop the jab but extended your arm as much as you can without coming into countering range.

If that means boos from the fans let it be...It's not my fault the other guy chooses not to attack and just sit there...

But it's all easier said that done...

Basically force the other guy to open up by refusing to fight his fight.