Why is there so much hate for Manny on here?sure he gets overrated but he is a ATG

[The Gambler1981]

I just disagreed with you,so my opinion does not count??Or does the majority opinion count??Dude you'll have ya opinion I'll have mine..I had Bradley winning a close fight..Not mad at anyone who had Pac winning either..But in a close fight it can go either way..That's really my only point,but robbery 11-1 scorecards..That's the real travesty..

I would say your opinion is compromised by bias, sorry bro that fight wasn't close.

Also 95% of fans can't score fights to save their lives, so if I disregard the extremes the few that someone found a way to score it for Bradley and the people that scored it 12-0 11-1 and just take the middle 5% 9-3 or 8-4 are goign to be the scores~

[Jack Napier]

Funny thing is,I except it..There has been plenty of fights where I felt one guy should have got the win..But you have to respect the judges,or wtf are they there for??Why not let the judge of popular opinion say who won a fight..That's not the way it works bro..I understand what your saying,and to an extent I will not acknowledge certain wins for certain fights..Pwill Lara is one of the worst I've ever seen..I think Chavez Whitaker was bad as well..I really don't agree on the Holyfield Lewis fight tbh..I could see that fight being a draw or a win for either fighter(I need to watch that one again,but I remember at the time how I felt)...But with fights like this one(Bradley Pac)it was closer and made worse by media and crazed butthurt Pac fans...I understand what ya saying,but there is noway around it,the decision that were render the nights of all the fights mention can't be change because some feel it was not right..It went down in the record books bro,that's how it will be remembered weather we like it or not...

can't believe you keep saying this
dude, we watch fights with our own eyes
we hear them read the official judges' scorecards
but we remember fights as we personally see them
fuck what other fans, the judges, or announcers say
when a guy clearly wins a fight, that's what viewers remember
judges might call it a loss, but people won't remember it that way
why? because they saw the goddamn fight and saw him win
people don't just fall in line with official rulings over time
we have eyes, and we have fight video collections
the official judges' scores can't be changed by us
and what actually happened can't be changed by official judges' scores

[Rome-By-Ko]

I would say your opinion is compromised by bias, sorry bro that fight wasn't close.

Also 95% of fans can't score fights to save their lives, so if I disregard the extremes the few that someone found a way to score it for Bradley and the people that scored it 12-0 11-1 and just take the middle 5% 9-3 or 8-4 are goign to be the scores~

See there it is..I'm bias because I like Bradley..So do I not like Pac??You view is your view and I'll respect it..But I'll keep mine as well which is Bradley won a close fight..I'll just leave it at that..Respect..

[Rome-By-Ko]

can't believe you keep saying this
dude, we watch fights with our own eyes
we hear them read the official judges' scorecards
but we remember fights as we personally see them
fuck what other fans, the judges, or announcers say
when a guy clearly wins a fight, that's what viewers remember
judges might call it a loss, but people won't remember it that way
why? because they saw the goddamn fight and saw him win
people don't just fall in line with official rulings over time
we have eyes, and we have fight video collections
the official judges' scores can't be changed by us
and what actually happened can't be changed by official judges' scores

the official judges' scores can't be changed by us
and what actually happened can't be changed by official judges' scores[/QUOTE]

This is my point right here..The decisions are final,are opinions are just that..Opinions..They have no relevance on how that fight will go down in history..Which was my point..

[The Gambler1981]

See there it is..I'm bias because I like Bradley..So do I not like Pac??You view is your view and I'll respect it..But I'll keep mine as well which is Bradley won a close fight..I'll just leave it at that..Respect..

I didn't say anything about you not liking Pac, nor am I a known Pac fan. I just remember how you were big upping Bradley beforehand, it is human nature to want to be correct and you saw it how you wanted to see it~

You can do or say whatever you want though, do you.

[Reloaded]

Did you guys know that the Manny Pacquiao that beats Shane Mosley is older that Erik Morales when Pac kayoed him twice?


Did you know that Marco Antonio Barrera was 29 yrs old when he was TKO'd by Pac and went to 6 straight victories winning another title in a higher division along the way?


Did you know that by Morales and Barrera's migration to 126 in 2001-2002 Lehlohonolo Ledwabba was considered the TOP dog of 122 Division?


Did you know that prior to Pac's victory over Dela Hoya. The general impression was the fighter going up either by CW or not usually have the disadvantage againts the bigger guy? Now its totally reversed. That explains why at least 95% of the boxing world thought DLH would win.


Did you know that Sasakul was a hero in Thailand the same Pac is to RP and Trinidad is to PR? He's a BIG name at the time he met Pac.


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he could have easily taken down Bradley if it was Pac of 2009 as Bradley offered very little offense, I did not even see 1 clear shot from him . the notion that he 'clearly' won the last 3 rounds is an illusion because of his better activity, he did not even land one 'good' shot. but despite that Pac failed to put him away obviously because of stamina issues. he did not throw as much as he used to



I think Pac's time is coming to an end. 60+ fights of aggression is now very evident, the freakish stamina is gone. he's got 2 to 3 more 'good' fights in him i think.


If i am a Floyd supporter, i would definitely post good things about Pac so that Floyd would get more props when he finally meets and beats him. I really cant decode why they are not doing this and try to devalue Pac's accomplishments .

Did you know your very bias towards hype , I dont think you question your beliefs too much at all , bit like my missus watching a TV commercial , believes anything they tell her , fanboys are the same , well you can gloss it all you want but sheeeet sticks and Manny has lots of it that will stick .

Manny was a good small fighter , that CWed his way into WW superstar , then the ride got called out and the CWs had to go , he didnt let them go easy but public pressure would have fried him with another draining CW , so being between a rock and a hard place , either face full blown WWs or pull a smaller division guy up to WW , thats what he did and it backfired .

Manny is showing with each fight that he is not superman without a CW , ducking Cotto over weight is another Manny screwup , it looks bad as far as the weight issues dogging Manny , but if he fought Cotto he gets beat and then its really in his face about weight .

I thing Manny is in a very serious situation history wise , another bad fight , or a schooling from Floyd and Manny is done , so its going to be very interesting what they do with Manny next , never know might be Floyd and I think Arum would see Manny is at the end of the road , wouldnt be surprised if the offered Garcia a fight at 147 .

[Jack Napier]

the official judges' scores can't be changed by us
and what actually happened can't be changed by official judges' scores

This is my point right here..The decisions are final,are opinions are just that..Opinions..They have no relevance on how that fight will go down in history..Which was my point..

you're still not getting it man
we don't remember what the judges say just because they said it
if it's the truth, that's what we'll remember
if it's not, we disagree
if you see a 1 sided ass kicking, that's what you remember
what if the judges rule otherwise?
you don't just say, "oh, I was wrong"
you say, "bullshit, that decision is false"
fans don't just accept whatever cards the judges throw at us
you're arguing that people let judges think for them
that's crazy, you're simply wrong man

[daggum]

pac is pretty good for a complete and utter bum but i mean come on he sucks. he should have lost every fight he ever had. guy is luckier than danny "lucky punch" garcia.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I didn't say anything about you not liking Pac, nor am I a known Pac fan. I just remember how you were big upping Bradley beforehand, it is human nature to want to be correct and you saw it how you wanted to see it~

You can do or say whatever you want though, do you.

Actually I saw it for Pac the night of the fight..When I re-watch it,sober and by myself(I had like 20 people over that night)I scored it for Bradley..So I will always be fair in the way I see a fight..No matter who it is fighting..

Oh btw,even while drinking a bunch of Pac fans in my house and the bias commentating I still had the fight close...8-4 or 7-5 for Pac can't be mad at that..It was the score I had the night of the fight..But like I said sober and alone(which is how I score every fight I watch)I had it for Bradley..

[The Gambler1981]

Actually I saw it for Pac the night of the fight..When I re-watch it,sober and by myself(I had like 20 people over that night)I scored it for Bradley..So I will always be fair in the way I see a fight..No matter who it is fighting..

Oh btw,even while drinking a bunch of Pac fans in my house and the bias commentating I still had the fight close...8-4 or 7-5 for Pac can't be mad at that..It was the score I had the night of the fight..But like I said sober and alone(which is how I score every fight I watch)I had it for Bradley..

Like I said do you, justify it whatever way you want. Whatever allows you to feel good about your view.

No skin off my back~