Better defensive fighter, Benitez or RJJ?

**_original_** · 07-11-2012, 11:59 PM

From a technical aspect, gotta go with Benetiz. Roy was just an athletic freak who broke all the rules and could get away with it due to his amazing reflexes.

**raf727** · 07-12-2012, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by _original_

From a technical aspect, gotta go with Benetiz. Roy was just an athletic freak who broke all the rules and could get away with it due to his amazing reflexes.

Was he? Or was he a man who trained since he was 9 years old, and knew the game inside and out and understood how to utilize all of his tools? I hate when people act like he didn't earn anything.

**lefthook2daliva** · 07-12-2012, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by raf727

Was he? Or was he a man who trained since he was 9 years old, and knew the game inside and out and understood how to utilize all of his tools? I hate when people act like he didn't earn anything.

Dunno' if there are any other Benitez' that belong in the same sentence as RJJ so I'll assume we're talking about Wilfredo?

So:

If that's the case, why did RJJ's tools fail him so badly when his reflexes diminished almost imperceptibly from 1 fight to the next (W over Ruiz followed by a tough but ,imo, deserved W over Tarver followed by a series of being ignominiously KTFO) ? He did not lose knowledge or wisdom from Ruiz to Tarver 1 & 2, so wtf happened?

To answer my own rhetorical question, RJJ's defense was his extravagantly crazy beautiful, God given reflexes. The very instant they were less than 100%, he got smoked time after time.

Have only seen a couple of Benitez fights but to me he looked like not-Roy in terms of raw athletic talent. His 1st loss to an up and coming SRL came by TKO in the 15th round. How many times did RJJ fight 15 rounds? How many times did he fight the p4p equivalent of SRL? Never.

Benitez survived 14.x rounds against a young, crazy bad (top 20 or better p4p ATG) SRL.

Of all the guys RJJ fought before losing his edge who was as badass as SRL? None of the guys who kicked his @ss post prime could so much as carry SRL's jockstrap.

Based on this half-@ssed drunken analysis, I'll go with Benitez...

I'm sure somebody out there sees the salient points and can express this better...

help? lol

**Kagami Taiga** · 07-12-2012, 01:07 AM

Benitez

**SCtrojansbaby** · 07-12-2012, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by _original_

an athletic freak who broke all the rules and could get away with it due to his amazing reflexes.

This describes both Benitez and Roy.

**sdcluser** · 07-12-2012, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby

This describes both Benitez and Roy.

That's what i was thinking too.
Maybe RJJ. The best defensive is offense?

**Doctor_Tenma** · 07-12-2012, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby

This describes both Benitez and Roy.

This is true actually, Benitez had excellent reflexes, very good upper body movement. I'm still gonna go with Benitez since he emphasized on defense more, displayed his defense against tougher opposition and didn't rely on moving as much as Roy did. Roy still had excellent defense, a very good portion of it was his offense though.

**Big_L** · 07-12-2012, 01:58 AM

roy wasn't this, he was just fast. he wasn't that, he just had great reflexes. i hate when people talk like that about roy. he wasn't really that good, he was just blessed. and??? he's less of a fighter because he was more talented than everybody else? thats ******ed. take away his athletism and he wasn't that good. well you can't take it away.

**_original_** · 07-12-2012, 02:12 AM

My comment came out the wrong fellas, didn't mean to make it seem like l was downplaying Roys skills in any way shape or form.

Better defensive fighter, Benitez or RJJ?