Calzaghe SMW reign vs. Hopkins MW reign

[IronDanHamza]

Really not interested in going back and forth with this debate any longer Kessler is more accomplished at 168 than Tito is at 160 I'm not going to change my stance neither are you guys this is futile.

It's simply wrong.

Beating Trinidad, who was proven at MW, is better than beating Kessler.

To be honest, Trinidad's win over Joppy is probably better than anything Kessler had done at that point anyway. Let alone what he'd already shown at lower weights.

I haven't got a big problem with people saying Hopkins reign was better I believe they where both comparably poor and I don't think its ok to sh.it on one and not the other they are both lackluster.

Both fought in weak divisions but the difference is Hopkins beat all of the top fighters during his reign and beat a list of Top ranked fighters in his weak division.

Calzaghe on the other hand only fought 2 top ranked fighters his entire reign and only a small handful of ranked fighters at all.

That's the difference.

[-PBP-]

Very close fight, the first fight with Green.

But he didn't knock him out in the second fight but he was dominating.

Oh I stand corrected. For some reason I thought he knocked him out.

[-Lowkey-]

Maybe if he didn't prove he was head and shoulders above the rest of the MW division outside of Hopkins.

And going back to the Hearns comparison, which is very good comparison by the way. It's like saying Calzaghe's win over Kessler is better than Haglers win over Hearns.

Both, very ludicrous claims.

Kessler was better than any other SMW other than Calzaghe at the time they where both weak divisions.

And no I still disagree Hearns is not a good comparison Hearns carried his weight much better than Tito, Tito did hardly anything after losing to Hopkins. Hearns went on to win more titles even winning a belt at LHW. You only have to compare the two fighters physiques at 160 to know who carried the weight better.

[StarshipTrooper]

Kessler was better than any other SMW other than Calzaghe at the time they where both weak divisions.

And just which hometown victory over which tomato can established Kessler as the division #2 pray tell?

Poet

[IronDanHamza]

Kessler was better than any other SMW other than Calzaghe at the time they where both weak divisions.

And no I still disagree Hearns is not a good comparison Hearns carried his weight much better than Tito, Tito did hardly anything after losing to Hopkins. Hearns went on to win more titles even winning a belt at LHW. You only have to compare the two fighters physiques at 160 to know who carried the weight better.

Yes, and Kessler is his best win at the weight. Still obviously not better than the Trinidad win.

And I only stated he was the best MW in the world outside of Hopkins to show he was an absolutely legit MW. Which you are somehow trying to claim he wasn't, which, he absolutely was.

Let's see, both Trinidad and Hearns beat the #2 ranked fighter at MW after moving up from 154.

Both are natural WW's.

Both did very little at MW but proved in their little fights there that they are one of, if not the best MW's in the world at the time.

Look pretty comparable to me. I struggle to think of closer comparison there.

Hearns style allowed him to go up in weight and just because Hearns moved up even further doesn't mean anything to how they were at 160 comparably.

And Trinidad was a monster at 160. Physically, he looked fantastic. So I don't know where you're going with that one. That's just simply false.

Saying beating Kessler is better than beating Trinidad at 160 is as laughable as saying it's better than beating Hearns at 160.

[-PBP-]

Except that Kessler was a fraud and not a real big-league opponent.

Poet

What exactly has Kessler proven? That he can fight a pathetic assortment of tomato cans without having to leave Denmark? :thinking9:

Poet

Hopkins' worst opponent >>>>>> any of the Eurocans Kessler racked up his record against in his home town.


Tough ****......deal with it.

Poet

And just which hometown victory over which tomato can established Kessler as the division #2 pray tell?

Poet

This is a very fair issue that hasn't been addressed yet. What top contenders did Kessler beat prior to his fight with Calzaghe?

Andrade?
Mundine?

[Enzo Calzaghe]

I wish me son fought that fackin clown in 'is fackin prime. 'Opkins was too fackin scared.

[StarshipTrooper]

This is a very fair issue that hasn't been addressed yet. What top contenders did Kessler beat prior to his fight with Calzaghe?

Andrade?
Mundine?

Seriously. He just keeps chanting the Kessler mantra when Kessler never established himself as a legit contender by beating other legit contenders.

Poet

[IronDanHamza]

This is a very fair issue that hasn't been addressed yet. What top contenders did Kessler beat prior to his fight with Calzaghe?

Andrade?
Mundine?

It is a good point.

I'd say Trinidad's win over Joppy alone is better than anything Kessler had done up to that point.

Let alone everything else he'd proved at lower weights.

The idea is the Kessler win being even considered to be better than the Trinidad win is just laughable in my eyes.

[-PBP-]

And this issue that Trinidad was no good at 160 is complete nonsense.

He overwhelmed William Joppy, a natural MW with 6 title defenses with his power and disposed of him in 6. Bernard Hopkins and PRIME Jermain Taylor couldn't even put Joppy on the canvas.

And if you actually watch the fight between Hopkins and Trinidad, Hopkins was circling left and smothered him to negate Trinidad's left hook. Despite dominating Trinidad for all 12 rounds, he still respected his power. Listen to the commentary. George Foreman was criticizing Hopkins all night for going toe to toe with Trinidad at times during the fight because Trinidad had that knockout power.