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  • Khalid X
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    #41
    I agree with those who say the longer this fight takes to happen, the better it is for Floyd. Actually I always thought that is what Floyd was banking on and why he was throwing up the road blocks he was because it was obvious that he wanted no part of the 09-10 version of Manny that destroy Hatton, Cotto, and busted up Margarito.

    That version of Manny I had stopping Floyd in 11 rounds. Now, I feel it's 50-50 but I still fell Manny would win.

    People claiming Manny could never beat Floyd are foolish and if that was the case, Floyd would have taken this fight a long time ago. There is a reason for Floyd's actions and Floyd himself knows what Manny is capable of doing to him.

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    • maguirre
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      #42
      Perfect time for Floyd to step in. We gotta admit this is what Floyd has been waiting for -- level playing field.

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        #43
        Originally posted by The Future
        The biggest thing I don't get on this site is people saying fighter A could never beat fighter B.

        Remember this past weekend?
        Remember holyfield vs tyson, baldomir vs judah, douglas vs tyson....etc etc etc

        Mayweather vs pacman is a lot closer fight then a lot of these upsets and yet people are saying mayweather makes easy work of manny.....werid I don't see a whole bunch saying manny destroys floyd(except die hard nutthuggers)

        Its a close interesting fight that should happen but will never happen.
        There's so many senarios that could happen in this fight.
        What's not to get bro, It's called d!ck riding.

        The gap in talent and ability between Floyd and Manny are very minimal at best. Floyd does things better than Manny and vice versa. I would break those things down, but I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who follows both.

        With that said, in boxing there are huge gaps in talent and ability and fighters still find ways to overcome it. You don't even have to look that far in the past to realize boxing is full of matches in which one fighter is by far the better fighter, has more talent and skills and still ends up losing.

        Segura beating Calderon is an example of that. Salido vs Lopez is an example of that. Lopez beating Ortiz is an example of that and the list goes on and on.

        So for someone to say that when two of the best fighters of this era face off, fighter B has no chance.......do you realize how ****** of a statement that is, especially when looking at it from a historical and even contemporary stand point.

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        • JK1700
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          #44
          It seems like the Manny Pacquiao fans are far more confident in his ability to beat Miguel Cotto at 154 than Manny himself is. I think Cotto asked for a 150lb catchweight and Manny turned it down, I could be wrong, but I know that he refused to accept the fight at 154 and I think he wanted Cotto to come all the way down to 147. That doesn't seem like a confident move, does it? However I do believe that Manny would beat him regardless of what weight they fought at right now. I think that it would be very competitive at 154 but I see Manny's speed and combination punching making the difference against a somewhat slow guy who tends to deviate from the gameplan and who can be hit fairly easily. Unfortunately we'll never see them fight at that weight because Manny "Stipulation-Man" Pacquiao always seems to need to have an advantage in his fights. His opponents seem to always be handicapped somehow.

          As for the Mayweather fight. I honestly believe it would be Mayweather-Gatti Part 2 because Manny just has no defence.
          Last edited by JK1700; 06-29-2012, 11:27 AM.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Cgarcia
            Perfect time for Floyd to step in. We gotta admit this is what Floyd has been waiting for -- level playing field.

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            • Khalid X
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              #46
              Originally posted by JK1700
              It seems like the Manny Pacquiao fans are far more confident in his ability to beat Miguel Cotto at 154 than Manny himself is. I think Cotto asked for a 150lb catchweight and Manny turned it down, I could be wrong, but I know that he refused to accept the fight at 154 and I think he wanted Cotto to come all the way down to 147. That doesn't seem like a confident move, does it? However I do believe that Manny would beat him regardless of what weight they fought at right now. I think that it would be very competitive at 154 but I see Manny's speed and combination punching making the difference against a somewhat slow guy who tends to deviate from the gameplan and who can be hit fairly easily. Unfortunately we'll never see them fight at that weight. Manny "Stipulation-Man" Pacquiao always seems to need to have an advantage in his fights.

              As for the Mayweather fight. I honestly believe it would be Mayweather-Gatti Part 2.

              I love people bring up the fact that somehow Manny not want to fight Cotto at 154 = Manny thinking he can't beat Cotto.

              All that means or shows is that Manny is consistent with his admission that he doesn't belong at JMW. He won't even fight Yuri Foreman there, even though he destroyed him two different times in sparing.

              He basically has said for the last 3 years that 147 and possible 150lbs is the highest he can go. Fighters know themselves better than anyone else and they know when a weight class is too high for them (ala Sergio Martinez, Nonito Donaire, and countless other examples).

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                #47
                Originally posted by Popovich
                I love people bring up the fact that somehow Manny not want to fight Cotto at 154 = Manny thinking he can't beat Cotto.

                All that means or shows is that Manny is consistent with his admission that he doesn't belong at JMW. He won't even fight Yuri Foreman there, even though he destroyed him two different times in sparing.

                He basically has said for the last 3 years that 147 and possible 150lbs is the highest he can go. Fighters know themselves better than anyone else and they know when a weight class is too high for them (ala Sergio Martinez, Nonito Donaire, and countless other examples).
                and thats all good so do u give him credit for that 154 title?

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                • Bring It On
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                  #48
                  Pac has declined quite a bit since DLH/Hatton/Cotto, I'd say it's a 50/50 fight against Cotto and Floyd would win by UD, pretty easily.

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                  • zcm
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                    #49
                    I think he would still beat cotto, always thought Floyd would get the win in a close fight but I think Floyd would win in much easier fashion.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Popovich
                      I agree with those who say the longer this fight takes to happen, the better it is for Floyd. Actually I always thought that is what Floyd was banking on and why he was throwing up the road blocks he was because it was obvious that he wanted no part of the 09-10 version of Manny that destroy Hatton, Cotto, and busted up Margarito.

                      That version of Manny I had stopping Floyd in 11 rounds. Now, I feel it's 50-50 but I still fell Manny would win.

                      People claiming Manny could never beat Floyd are foolish and if that was the case, Floyd would have taken this fight a long time ago. There is a reason for Floyd's actions and Floyd himself knows what Manny is capable of doing to him.
                      But manny has turned down the deals Popovich, you can't forget that. Manny made his choice, he didn't want to take random ost, so he turned down a 50/50 split. Can't blame manny's actions on floyd.

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