Dan Rafael: Accurate sources tell me Pacquiao/Bradley did 950,000 buys

[Toyman]

So TODAY you are basing Manny's percentage on Forbes? Funny how Forbes numbers all of a sudden matters to Floyd fans. Were you all saying that Manny deserved more than Floyd BEFORE the latest numbers from Forbes as I believe Manny had better numbers the previous years?

Secondly, the amount Floyd expects to make fighting Manny compared to someone else is a lot more. Why? BECAUSE Floyd IS FIGHTING MANNY .... THAT'S WHY!!!! ..... but you guys just can't seem to grasps that, can you?

Third point, if Floyd wants Manny to take the "TEST" and that it has been such a big deal ..... then Manny accepting that should count for something that should counter Floyd wanting ALL PPV money, in some shape or form. In other words, when you do your calculating on percentages, reduce some percentage points because of this "TEST" ....

.... and my feeling is, when Floyd presented Manny with "I WANT ALL PPV MONEY", Manny probably countered and said "You want me to accept roadblock #2 then roadblock #1 is OFF the table" and that is why Floyd is saying that "Manny doesn't want to take the test"

Very good analysis, but let's look at this purely from a numbers perspective.

Pac has sold 7.7 million ppvs since may 09. Floyd has sold just 6.2 million since december 07.

Now, if you put that into a ppv sold per year format, you would get just about 2.5 million per year for manny. With Floyd, you get about 1.38 million per year. Try not to laugh, because floyd's numbers are good, they are just bad compared to manny's. The above would suggest a 65/35 split in favor of manny.

But floyd's fans say it should be done on a per fight basis - this is wrong, because it's not manny's fault that floyd needs time to promote his boring fights, and find big names to stack his undercards, and all the other advantages floyd needs to sell. But let's say we did do it on a per fight basis.
Floyd's per fight ppv sales since he became the A side are 1.24 million. Pac, since he became A side, are 1.1 million. The 40million flat fee is clearly a duck, even from this perspective. Because the per fight number suggest a split very close to 50-50. [approximately 53-47 in floyd's favor] The bottom line is that 40 million flat fee is a clear duck.

[The Big Dunn]

So TODAY you are basing Manny's percentage on Forbes? Funny how Forbes numbers all of a sudden matters to Floyd fans. Were you all saying that Manny deserved more than Floyd BEFORE the latest numbers from Forbes as I believe Manny had better numbers the previous years?

Secondly, the amount Floyd expects to make fighting Manny compared to someone else is a lot more. Why? BECAUSE Floyd IS FIGHTING MANNY .... THAT'S WHY!!!! ..... but you guys just can't seem to grasps that, can you?

Third point, if Floyd wants Manny to take the "TEST" and that it has been such a big deal ..... then Manny accepting that should count for something that should counter Floyd wanting ALL PPV money, in some shape or form. In other words, when you do your calculating on percentages, reduce some percentage points because of this "TEST" ....

.... and my feeling is, when Floyd presented Manny with "I WANT ALL PPV MONEY", Manny probably countered and said "You want me to accept roadblock #2 then roadblock #1 is OFF the table" and that is why Floyd is saying that "Manny doesn't want to take the test"

Yes, I was saying Floyd deserved more. The Forbes numbers only clarified it. Its an objective source confirming floyd is the bigger earner.

Yes, floyd will get more because he's fighting Manny. But floyd is still the bigger draw and earner. Manny desreves more than any other floyd oppoenent, no question. That doesn't mean he deserves equal to floyd.

What does accepting a ped test have to do with purse split? Cmon man that makes no sense. SHould floyd get extra pecenatge points because he agreed to $10 mil per lb over weight clause? Of course not.

We agree. Manny wont take test unless he gets a 50/50 split which he doesn't deserve.. Saying "I will take tests if I get purse split I want" is not the same as "I will take tests".

[ADP02]

Very good analysis, but let's look at this purely from a numbers perspective.

Pac has sold 7.7 million ppvs since may 09. Floyd has sold just 6.2 million since december 07.

Now, if you put that into a ppv sold per year format, you would get just about 2.5 million per year for manny. With Floyd, you get about 1.38 million per year. Try not to laugh, because floyd's numbers are good, they are just bad compared to manny's. The above would suggest a 65/35 split in favor of manny.

But floyd's fans say it should be done on a per fight basis - this is wrong, because it's not manny's fault that floyd needs time to promote his boring fights, and find big names to stack his undercards, and all the other advantages floyd needs to sell. But let's say we did do it on a per fight basis.
Floyd's per fight ppv sales since he became the A side are 1.24 million. Pac, since he became A side, are 1.1 million. The 40million flat fee is clearly a duck, even from this perspective. Because the per fight number suggest a split very close to 50-50. [approximately 53-47 in floyd's favor] The bottom line is that 40 million flat fee is a clear duck.

Yes, I was saying Floyd deserved more. The Forbes numbers only clarified it. Its an objective source confirming floyd is the bigger earner.

Yes, floyd will get more because he's fighting Manny. But floyd is still the bigger draw and earner. Manny desreves more than any other floyd oppoenent, no question. That doesn't mean he deserves equal to floyd.

What does accepting a ped test have to do with purse split? Cmon man that makes no sense. SHould floyd get extra pecenatge points because he agreed to $10 mil per lb over weight clause? Of course not.

We agree. Manny wont take test unless he gets a 50/50 split which he doesn't deserve.. Saying "I will take tests if I get purse split I want" is not the same as "I will take tests".

I don't know how accurate ToyMan's numbers are but I'm sure that Manny deserves more than what Big Dunn is suggesting .... which is 30%-35%

Accepting PEDs test was a big deal for both sides. Weight clause was not! Big difference .... but my point was that we have 2 major roadblocks here. If Floyd definitely wants Manny to accept both then by accepting roadblock #1 (no choice), Floyd needs to give some slack with roadblock #2 ...

So you never answered my question. Since Manny did better on Forbes in previous years then shouldn't Manny deserve more but funny that these numbers just came out recently yet Floyd was using his "formula" to say I want more ... but Manny who could have done the same using Forbes list did not .... like I said, there is one guy issuing these roadblocks and one guy that keeps having to accept these roadblocks.

You are confusing this .... Manny may have refused roadblock #1recently because Floyd wants everything .... its not about Manny wanting exactly 50/50 .... ... its Floyd wanting "ALL PPV money" that is the problem. If Floyd would have been more reasonable with his demands then perhaps Manny would have said, "close enough" .....

Manny said, "if I need to take less to get this fight on, I will" .... but without twisting his words, Manny meant that this number still needs to be close to 50/50 but not necessarily 50/50 ..... what the magic formula is, we don't know .... maybe its 51/49 or 52/48 or 53/47 or???

Still Manny seems to be the one who is willing to accept "less" .... therefore Manny appears to want the fight more .... Floyd doesn't seem to want it as much because as soon as roadblock #1 was OKed, Floyd gave us roadblock #2.

As Toyman stated, Manny has been fighting more often and Floyd less often ... its not Manny's fault ... so if you look at the previous few years, Manny has been the highest earner on average .... but I'm not claiming that Manny deserves more ..... I'm just saying that Floyd needed to be more consistent and fight more often in order to have deserved the crazy numbers that Floyd believes he deserved.

If Floyd is able to come down from the clouds and start talking more respectable with his numbers then OK ... but until then, Floyd is holding this up!

[The Big Dunn]

I don't know how accurate ToyMan's numbers are but I'm sure that Manny deserves more than what Big Dunn is suggesting .... which is 30%-35%

Accepting PEDs test was a big deal for both sides. Weight clause was not! Big difference .... but my point was that we have 2 major roadblocks here. If Floyd definitely wants Manny to accept both then by accepting roadblock #1 (no choice), Floyd needs to give some slack with roadblock #2 ...

So you never answered my question. Since Manny did better on Forbes in previous years then shouldn't Manny deserve more but funny that these numbers just came out recently yet Floyd was using his "formula" to say I want more ... but Manny who could have done the same using Forbes list did not .... like I said, there is one guy issuing these roadblocks and one guy that keeps having to accept these roadblocks.

You are confusing this .... Manny may have refused roadblock #1recently because Floyd wants everything .... its not about Manny wanting exactly 50/50 .... ... its Floyd wanting "ALL PPV money" that is the problem. If Floyd would have been more reasonable with his demands then perhaps Manny would have said, "close enough" .....

Manny said, "if I need to take less to get this fight on, I will" .... but without twisting his words, Manny meant that this number still needs to be close to 50/50 but not necessarily 50/50 ..... what the magic formula is, we don't know .... maybe its 51/49 or 52/48 or 53/47 or???

Still Manny seems to be the one who is willing to accept "less" .... therefore Manny appears to want the fight more .... Floyd doesn't seem to want it as much because as soon as roadblock #1 was OKed, Floyd gave us roadblock #2.

As Toyman stated, Manny has been fighting more often and Floyd less often ... its not Manny's fault ... so if you look at the previous few years, Manny has been the highest earner on average .... but I'm not claiming that Manny deserves more ..... I'm just saying that Floyd needed to be more consistent and fight more often in order to have deserved the crazy numbers that Floyd believes he deserved.

If Floyd is able to come down from the clouds and start talking more respectable with his numbers then OK ... but until then, Floyd is holding this up!

How can you be sure with out any objective data? If you use all the economic numbers, they all point to floyd getting between 60-65%. I don't know why pac fans are so afraid to use objective independent data.

AGain, what does ped testing ahve to do with purse split?

The forbes numbers simply clarified how much more of an earner floyd is than manny. If you want to use forbes numbers from previous years fine with me, but floyd was still the bigger earner.

Manny was offered 50/50 and turned it down. You kinda keep leaving that out.

Your logic is funny. Manny's willing ness to accept 47% vs floyd would be like JMM being willing to take 47% with Manny. In both cases, the 47% is more than either fighter deserves, so of course they are willing to take it. This has never been a 50/50 fight, and no matter how much you like manny and/or hate floyd, you should be honest enough to admit that. Manny isn't being virtuous or "wanting the fight" by asking for more than he deserves.

WHy does floyd have to fight more? Is there a rule or something? Manny fights more because he earns less. If manny earned what floyd did, he'd fight less.

If you want to blame floyd for holding up the fight fine with me. To date, Manny has refused 2 offers. He refused 50/50 and OST and he refused $0 mil no ppv. No fighter, not even manny, deserves more than their share when they are not the main draw in a fight. The objective, unbiased data, whether it be Nevada commisssion, forbes, or any other independent source shows floyd is the bigger earner and the main draw.

[josenoway]

lmao, people still insisting better drug testing is a roadblock.

[STREET CLEANER]

950,000 got conned out of there money

[ADP02]

How can you be sure with out any objective data? If you use all the economic numbers, they all point to floyd getting between 60-65%. I don't know why pac fans are so afraid to use objective independent data.

AGain, what does ped testing ahve to do with purse split?

The forbes numbers simply clarified how much more of an earner floyd is than manny. If you want to use forbes numbers from previous years fine with me, but floyd was still the bigger earner.

Manny was offered 50/50 and turned it down. You kinda keep leaving that out.

Your logic is funny. Manny's willing ness to accept 47% vs floyd would be like JMM being willing to take 47% with Manny. In both cases, the 47% is more than either fighter deserves, so of course they are willing to take it. This has never been a 50/50 fight, and no matter how much you like manny and/or hate floyd, you should be honest enough to admit that. Manny isn't being virtuous or "wanting the fight" by asking for more than he deserves.

WHy does floyd have to fight more? Is there a rule or something? Manny fights more because he earns less. If manny earned what floyd did, he'd fight less.

If you want to blame floyd for holding up the fight fine with me. To date, Manny has refused 2 offers. He refused 50/50 and OST and he refused $0 mil no ppv. No fighter, not even manny, deserves more than their share when they are not the main draw in a fight. The objective, unbiased data, whether it be Nevada commisssion, forbes, or any other independent source shows floyd is the bigger earner and the main draw.

Come on, .... Manny didn't turn down 50/50 ...

Why does Floyd need to fight more? Because if he didn't fight more then Manny would be on top again this year ... fortunately, Forbes looked at Floyd's last 2 fights because if it was based on 2011, Floyd would not have come on top. The previous few it was Manny who came up on top .... Average this out and the numbers do not indicate that Floyd deserves "100% of PPV money" and that is what Manny refused!!!

and these numbers don't take into account all the variables, so its not as easy as you say. Floyd fought Cotto, who is most probably #3 on PPV drawing power while Manny picked someone who is not a house hold name in Bradley. Floyd's undercard had Canelo who brings in his fan base and Mosley.

Floyd wants and has made this appear as though he deserves all PPV money but that is far from the truth. Floyd was acting this way from DAY 1 .... he stated this even after his long layoff and getting ready to fight Marquez while Manny fighting Cotto. There are videos of Floyd saying that he deserves more back in 2009.

If Floyd fights once a year and has a name such as Cotto and well known under-card names, it should attract more than a fighter who fights more often and fights a relative nobody.

Floyd can get more, I don't care but for him to say ALL PPV money and for you Floyd fans to defend his statements is just wrong. At least Manny's 50/50 is not questioned as much for the simple reason, we all thought for 3 years that this was a 50/50 fight. So for you to say it was Manny that was crazy not Floyd, is CRAZY! Now for you to even say 30% for Manny and 70% for Floyd is OK is just as crazy .... these are 2 A-side fighters who have both generated a lot of money for boxing. In the last few years, Manny has generated more but that never made me say that he deserved more .... as I just want to see a fight!!!

If you think your numbers are fair and Floyd should continue with his roadblock then this fight is not happening .... if Floyd bends a little and Manny does as well then I can see this happening ..... and more importantly, we get to see this fight.

Soon it may not matter though ....

[Toyman]

Come on, .... Manny didn't turn down 50/50 ...

Why does Floyd need to fight more? Because if he didn't fight more then Manny would be on top again this year ... fortunately, Forbes looked at Floyd's last 2 fights because if it was based on 2011, Floyd would not have come on top. The previous few it was Manny who came up on top .... Average this out and the numbers do not indicate that Floyd deserves "100% of PPV money" and that is what Manny refused!!!

and these numbers don't take into account all the variables, so its not as easy as you say. Floyd fought Cotto, who is most probably #3 on PPV drawing power while Manny picked someone who is not a house hold name in Bradley. Floyd's undercard had Canelo who brings in his fan base and Mosley.

Floyd wants and has made this appear as though he deserves all PPV money but that is far from the truth. Floyd was acting this way from DAY 1 .... he stated this even after his long layoff and getting ready to fight Marquez while Manny fighting Cotto. There are videos of Floyd saying that he deserves more back in 2009.

If Floyd fights once a year and has a name such as Cotto and well known under-card names, it should attract more than a fighter who fights more often and fights a relative nobody.

Floyd can get more, I don't care but for him to say ALL PPV money and for you Floyd fans to defend his statements is just wrong. At least Manny's 50/50 is not questioned for the simple reason, we all thought for 3 years that this was a 50/50 fight. So for you to say it was Manny that was crazy not Floyd, is CRAZY! Now for you to even say 30% for Manny and 70% for Floyd is OK is just as crazy .... these are 2 A-side fighters who have both generated a lot of money for boxing. In the last few years, Manny has generated more but that never made me say that he deserved more .... as I just want to see a fight!!!

If you think your numbers are fair and Floyd should continue with his roadblock then this fight is not happening .... if Floyd bends a little and Manny does as well then I can see this happening ..... and more importantly, we get to see this fight.

Soon it may not matter though ....

Yup, if you look at the ppv sales per year, manny almost doubles floyd. On a per fight basis, floyd only beats manny by 100k, which is almost pathetic when you consider all the big names floyd has to stack on his mexican holiday undercards.

40 million flat, with 0% ppv is one of the most blatant ducks of all time.

[Khalid X]

Why do the stars have to align perfectly in order for Floyd to get in the ring with Manny?

This fight doing 950k and the fact that it went down as a loss for Manny just gave Floyd the perfect excuse not to take the fight.

Now that testing is out the window, Floyd has some new material to work with.

Watch as he comes out and says "Well Manny lost his last two fights, why should I face him?'' or "his fight did 950k with Bradley....I don't need Manny".

I'm tired of this b1tch and his refusal to fight legitament threats around his weight class. I saw the same b.s. when it came to Paul Williams, Stevie Johnston, Antonio Margarito and other fighters.

[GottSein]

That settles it. 60/40 and take the test!