Ortiz Quit IMO

[PrinceCharlez]

Clown, I knew what the hell you were talking about and Im saying thats a ****** example. Its not the same thing at all. You also acting like I said it was smart for Margarito to continue which I didnt so fall back.

Also, I havent been in a boxing match but other fighters have also called him out so now what is your lame ass excuse?

Again, there is no way in hell Ortiz was thinking about his future when he quit. He wasnt thinking about Margarito or how it could effect the rest of his career. If you think that then you are delusional.

Nobody was telling him to finish the fight. The point is to try and then see what happens. If you take some more hard shots then you can quit but there was also a very high possibility that he could box, stick, move, run, and not take any real punishment.

BTW, trust me when I tell you that there is nothing you could say that would go over my head

How u know what Ortiz was thinking? You reading minds now? So let me get this straight, not only do you know how much pain a fighter can fight through, u know their thoughts as well? Damn u good!

"Nobody is telling him to finish the fight"? End thread then..

Lol go out with a broken jaw & if you take some more hard shots then quit??? Did u not watch the fight? They were trading hard shots the whole dang fight. What you think, the last few rounds is gonna be different? Bro you're ignorant & clearly don't know any better. At the end of the day a guy with a broken decided to do what's best for him...if he needed your expertise on what a fighter should do in a broken jaw situation im sure he'd a called you....but he didn't

[DLT]

Opinions based on........................NOTHING!!! Fans calling out a fighter who decides he can't continue based on a broken jaw. To continue with a broken jaw or most likely a fractured jaw is just plain ******, not brave. The damage that could be done to the fracture(s) can be devasting and no one knows including the fighter the extent of the injury but he decided to retire. No one here knows what it is to "get in a ring" let alone fight with injuries! Ali fought with fractures on his jaw against Norton and paid the price with an extended lay off. To continue on with injury is up to the fighter because he's the only one who can "feel" the damage and its his decision, not some fan!!!
The man wasn't a coward when he stepped into the ring but after suffering what could be a career ending injury he's a coward in the minds of a few fans who have ZERO idea what a fighter actually goes through. Theres alot of things wrong with this sport and I add the fact that people degrade and disgrace people on a forum when in a face to face situation would NOT say a thing!!! Forum Fighters, where everyone has an opinion but NO real experiences! No one is screamin around here about Tyson biting Evander to duck out but when a fighter suffers a real injury he's coward to retire because he has the brains to realize more damage that could be perminent could be inflicted. Make believe fighters who think the punches are make believe too hahahaha a big bunch of morons I've never encountered.
Fairy Tale Boxing, where everyone can handle the punches!!!. Ray

why do people keep talking about people on here not being fighters? 1st off Im not paid millions to box. 2nd, everyone on here has been in some kinda fight in there life so its not like no one knows what they are talking about. 3rd, if you search this forum enough you would know that there are infact guys on this site who really do box, train, and have fights.

Again, what about other fighters who have called him out? What is your excuse to them? I disagree with 2 of your main points. 1 is the permanent damage thing. No one on here is going to convince me that Ortiz was thinking about his long term health when he quit. He wasnt thinking about Ali, Margarito, or sitting out 2 years. He just felt it was broke and wanted out, immediatly. It had nothing to do with his future.

The 2nd thing I disagree with you on is that people arent upset that he quit and didnt finish the fight. They are upset that he didnt even try. Not only did he not try but he shoved his corner out the way and screamed for the ref to stop it. He was in a panic. He couldve came out to fight in the 10th, boxed, moved, stick, jab, and ran.

Chances are he couldve survived and maybe not taken any punishment but if he did get hit hard a few times, then he can quit and no one rips him. The point is he didnt even try. He was doing good when he boxed anyways. Its not like Lopez is this stalker killer that will walk him down like Margarito & crush him. He shouldve tried to just move and stay outside. Then if he gets hit and wants to stop, everyone understands but he didnt even try

[DLT]

How u know what Ortiz was thinking? You reading minds now? So let me get this straight, not only do you know how much pain a fighter can fight through, u know their thoughts as well? Damn u good!

"Nobody is telling him to finish the fight"? End thread then..

Lol go out with a broken jaw & if you take some more hard shots then quit??? Did u not watch the fight? They were trading hard shots the whole dang fight. What you think, the last few rounds is gonna be different? Bro you're ignorant & clearly don't know any better. At the end of the day a guy with a broken decided to do what's best for him...if he needed your expertise on what a fighter should do in a broken jaw situation im sure he'd a called you....but he didn't

You sound dumb. Now I know why so many people on here dont respect you. So just because Ortiz takes hard shots when he's brawling, means he's going to take a bunch of hard shots while he's running? If thats the case then why do guys get on the move & run when they are hurt?

Mosley tried to brawl with Pac, got dropped and got on his bike to where he barely got touched again the rest of the fight. You think Pac wouldnt have lit him up if they werent brawling? Thats my point. Ofcourse Ortiz got hit alot the first 9 rounds. He was fighting very aggressive. That doesnt mean he takes the same punishment the last 3 rounds when he's moving & running. Any noob in boxing knows that.

Also, Ortiz may be the dumbest guy in boxing. You say IDK that he wasnt thinking that but at the same time you act like you know for sure he was thinking about his long term health. Youre a clown. Ortiz wasnt thinking about that **** and anyone with a brain knows that.

You telling me to end thread if Im not telling him to finish the fight? That shows you how clueless you are. I dont care what sport it is. Everyone gets criticized if they dont try. You can watch Football or whatever. People always talk about its not the fact that he didnt play, its the fact that he didnt try. If you try then you may be shocked on what happens

Im glad you think every decision a fighter makes is ok. I guess the next time a guy has any cut, injury or anything and quits, that you will defend him since he felt thats whats best for him. Super Save A Ho

[dudey]

he went from Vicious Victor to Vagina Victor in one round....Dude is a wuss

haha funny one liner

[Ray Corso]

.........and you know about trying? My comment about fans knocking a fighter for retiring is simple! Fighters don't degrade other fighters unless its a promo stick that their using or they they know each other personally and honestly don't like one another. Real fighters have respect for those men who enter the ring and give an effort to succeeed. This young man was fighting with his injury and he decided to retire.
Until you've experienced fractures in your jaw or a split in the chin when the nerves are reacting in shock waves you don't know what your talking about. Your comments are based on a fairy tale idea of boxing. If this kid is a top twenty fighter in his division how did he get there? Flappin his gib on a forum?
Ray.

[PrinceCharlez]

You sound dumb. Now I know why so many people on here dont respect you. So just because Ortiz takes hard shots when he's brawling, means he's going to take a bunch of hard shots while he's running? If thats the case then why do guys get on the move & run when they are hurt?

Mosley tried to brawl with Pac, got dropped and got on his bike to where he barely got touched again the rest of the fight. You think Pac wouldnt have lit him up if they werent brawling? Thats my point. Ofcourse Ortiz got hit alot the first 9 rounds. He was fighting very aggressive. That doesnt mean he takes the same punishment the last 3 rounds when he's moving & running. Any noob in boxing knows that.

Also, Ortiz may be the dumbest guy in boxing. You say IDK that he wasnt thinking that but at the same time you act like you know for sure he was thinking about his long term health. Youre a clown. Ortiz wasnt thinking about that **** and anyone with a brain knows that.

Im glad you think every decision a fighter makes is ok. I guess the next time a guy has any cut, injury or anything and quits, that you will defend him since he felt thats whats best for him. Super Save A Ho

U think I care what another m.f thinks about me on b.scene? Lol I gotta life and it doesn't revolve around a website. I don't care what decision a fighter makes in his career because it doesn't effect me. If they want to quit from a cut, punches, broken hands, broken jaws hey that's on them. I'm not going to sit on my computer and talk about who can & can't fight with a broken jaw...this is a contact sport and depending on the fighter 9/10 shots thrown are head/ jaw shots....with that being said, if u feel somehow Ortiz was gonna become a slick boxer in the remaining fights, jabbing, clinching, shoulder rolling punches then hey that's your fantasy....

[PrinceCharlez]

DLT......that boy living that fantasy

[DLT]

.........and you know about trying? My comment about fans knocking a fighter for retiring is simple! Fighters don't degrade other fighters unless its a promo stick that their using or they they know each other personally and honestly don't like one another. Real fighters have respect for those men who enter the ring and give an effort to succeeed. This young man was fighting with his injury and he decided to retire.
Until you've experienced fractures in your jaw or a split in the chin when the nerves are reacting in shock waves you don't know what your talking about. Your comments are based on a fairy tale idea of boxing. If this kid is a top twenty fighter in his division how did he get there? Flappin his gib on a forum?
Ray.

so you are one of those guys who think you have to be a pro to critique everything? You have to had played the sport to be able to speak on something? You have to had advance to the highest level possible to have an opinion? Thats B.S.

What you said about real fighters is not true. IDK what sports you watch but they will go in on another player quick if they think he's not representing the sport the right way. You said he was fighting with an injury and decided to retire but others would say that he didnt try to fight with it. That as soon as he got hurt, he wanted out

[DLT]

Also, what do you guys have to say about his trainers? Are they qualified? He wasnt even trying to hear them out. What if Garcia wanted to just tell him to go out and test it. Just go out & stick & move. Dont exchange. Just stay outside & pot shot. Just see what happens.

Again, Im not telling anyone to man up and fight 12 dudes with your jaw broke and go 15 rounds. I just said to go out and try. Then you will know if you can handle it or not. This wasnt the 1st round. He only had 3 to go. Maybe he couldve made it without alot of heat and maybe he couldnt. Thats why you try & find out

[$mannyFresh]

He quit but with pretty good reason. Had he gone on, we would've been praising him for his heart because it's understandable to quit in that situation.

The "payday looming" thing makes no sense because that went out the window as soon as his jaw broke. I don't know how long it takes to heal but I'm sure it's more than a month. With an 8 week training camp that puts the 9/15 date out of reach.