Comments Thread For: Erislandy Lara-Freddy Hernandez in Play For June 30th

[rey guey]

OK, is been say about a hundred times now, Molina and Lara share the same manager therefor it will not be a rematch until is there more on the table, if you want blame somebody, blame DeCubas, they both want the fight but LDC wants to get them and himself of course more money, since none of them have a title it will happen in the near future, now if one of them managed to get a hold of a belt, the fight is on...

that's a great point. I hear showtime wants the fight, maybe they'll pony up enough cash for it

[BoxingGenius27]

yeah maybe "still fight" is your keyword right there, i was talking about being elite or at the top of the division (as an actual threat to alvarez if they fought). williams wasn't hard to hit, especially with that left, i'm pretty sure alvarez would have landed at will if he chose to exchange (even if he's not a southpaw). williams does throw a lot of punches, but you honestly think he could have beaten alvarez over 12? trust me, there's a reason why team alvarez made that williams fight instead of facing lara (who beat him).
beating ishida doesn't prove anything, i don't get why you would think that. kirkland was obviously not at his best since he was fighting above his weight class, wasn't with ann wolfe (meaning not being conditioned/trained properly), and fought recently before heading into that fight. i think his fights before (julio,vera) and after (angulo,molina) are evidence of that (and trust me i'm not that much of a kirkland fan). regardless, making pirog look average means what as well? he's not that proven himself if you honestly think about it. what's his best win? jacobs or ishida? just cause there's people bragging about him on a site doesn't mean he's the real deal, he needs to prove it first against quality opposition. pirog also didn't look that great against maciel if i remember correctly. he's an elusive fighter but he's not edge-of-your-seat entertaining and completely dominating his opponents every second of every round.

I thought this was common sense

[chiguy91]

I thought this was common sense

i guess not. i mean it could be difficult for some, especially when you take into account at what stages both williams and alvarez are at in their careers. alvarez is a young and undefeated kid that's still stepping up in comp to try and prove himself. his fans or people who think williams is pretty much done would favor alvarez winning (i guess me and you fall into that category). other people that feel that alvarez is overrated and williams still has lots of fight left and can possibly still win fights at the top level thought he could pull it off and upset or expose alvarez. there was quite a variety of opinions and predictions for this one i guess...
i know you hate/dislike alvarez. you weren't too sure williams was going to be the one who was going to beat or "expose" alvarez, huh?

[BoxingGenius27]

i guess not. i mean it could be difficult for some, especially when you take into account at what stages both williams and alvarez are at in their careers. alvarez is a young and undefeated kid that's still stepping up in comp to try and prove himself. his fans or people who think williams is pretty much done would favor alvarez winning (i guess me and you fall into that category). other people that feel that alvarez is overrated and williams still has lots of fight left and can possibly still win fights at the top level thought he could pull it off and upset or expose alvarez.
i know you hate/dislike alvarez. you weren't too sure williams was going to be the one who was going to beat or "expose" alvarez, huh?

I agree with you in the aspect that beating Ishida didn't make me forget his 2 fights before that and how NSB (including myself) was asking for his retirement.

But I did think that Williams was a step up from the Mosley's, Cintrons, Hattons and Cotto's.

Since Williams only notably lost to southpaws (Lara, Quintana and Martinez), I actually was slightly leaning on Williams to pull it off. It was very close though.

I don't dislike Alvarez though. I just call it how I see it.

[BoxingGenius27]

i guess not. i mean it could be difficult for some, especially when you take into account at what stages both williams and alvarez are at in their careers. alvarez is a young and undefeated kid that's still stepping up in comp to try and prove himself. his fans or people who think williams is pretty much done would favor alvarez winning (i guess me and you fall into that category). other people that feel that alvarez is overrated and williams still has lots of fight left and can possibly still win fights at the top level thought he could pull it off and upset or expose alvarez. there was quite a variety of opinions and predictions for this one i guess...
i know you hate/dislike alvarez. you weren't too sure williams was going to be the one who was going to beat or "expose" alvarez, huh?

But I'm pretty sure, Team Alvarez was banking on the Williams that showed up against Lara and Martinez.

I just wished they could've been flexible and waited a few months for Kirkland to be ready. That's the fight I really wanted.

[chiguy91]

I agree with you in the aspect that beating Ishida didn't make me forget his 2 fights before that and how NSB (including myself) was asking for his retirement.

But I did think that Williams was a step up from the Mosley's, Cintrons, Hattons and Cotto's.

Since Williams only notably lost to southpaws (Lara, Quintana and Martinez), I actually was slightly leaning on Williams to pull it off. It was very close though.

I don't dislike Alvarez though. I just call it how I see it.

who to retire?

yeah williams was a step up but i just didn't see it happening. one of the things that got me to believe this is that him and his trainer (william's trainer) acknowledged their flaws (open to left hands) but they said they'd brush it off and continue fighting like it isn't a problem. obviously alvarez is no elite fighter that will completely dominate someone like paul williams, but i do think him and his trainer are smart enough to take someone like paul williams (who clearly has flaws he knows of) and take advantage of that (hence why they took this fight imo). if williams/lara would've been a close fight i don't think we would be talking about williams/alvarez a month or so ago. just my opinion, not to knock alvarez down or anything, but i don't think his team would have risked it. if that was the case, they'd set up a fight with molina or k9 first. who knows though, maybe paul's high work rate would have edged him out some rounds and we would have seen an upset. i just didn't see it happening.

But I'm pretty sure, Team Alvarez was banking on the Williams that showed up against Lara and Martinez.

most definitely. that's why i thought this fight was being made, haha.

I just wished they could've been flexible and waited a few months for Kirkland to be ready. That's the fight I really wanted.

yeah, that would have slightly better imo just cause kirkland did turn it on at the end of the molina fight and i'm sure he learned his lesson to not be so nonchalant next time out. that september 15th date is what they wanted though. perhaps alvarez/kirkland happens later in the year.

[BoxingGenius27]

who to retire?

yeah williams was a step up but i just didn't see it happening. one of the things that got me to believe this is that him and his trainer (william's trainer) acknowledged their flaws (open to left hands) but they said they'd brush it off and continue fighting like it isn't a problem. obviously alvarez is no elite fighter that will completely dominate someone like paul williams, but i do think him and his trainer are smart enough to take someone like paul williams (who clearly has flaws he knows of) and take advantage of that (hence why they took this fight imo). if williams/lara would've been a close fight i don't think we would be talking about williams/alvarez a month or so ago. just my opinion, not to knock alvarez down or anything, but i don't think his team would have risked it. if that was the case, they'd set up a fight with molina or k9 first. who knows though, maybe paul's high work rate would have edged him out some rounds and we would have seen an upset. i just didn't see it happening.

I completely agree.

Regarding the retirement, Roy Jones asked for his retirement and a lot of NSB agreed after the Lara fight. I thought Jones was a bit of a hipocrit for asking for Williams to retire since he should retire himself, but I did kind of agree that Williams should call the quits that night. He took the type of blows that make guys slur speech that night.

[chiguy91]

I completely agree.

Regarding the retirement, Roy Jones asked for his retirement and a lot of NSB agreed after the Lara fight. I thought Jones was a bit of a hipocrit for asking for Williams to retire since he should retire himself, but I did kind of agree that Williams should call the quits that night. He took the type of blows that make guys slur speech that night.

yeah, i forgot jones said that. yeah paul didn't look anything like the fighter he was before. i mean he looked decent in the ishida fight, from what i saw, but again, beating ishida doesn't promise or really prove anything. all we could do now is imagine what would have been of paul's career after beating ishida. how many big fights would he really have left and stuff...

[BoxingGenius27]

yeah, i forgot jones said that. yeah paul didn't look anything like the fighter he was before. i mean he looked decent in the ishida fight, from what i saw, but again, beating ishida doesn't promise or really prove anything. all we could do now is imagine what would have been of paul's career after beating ishida. how many big fights would he really have left and stuff...

Agreed 100%

[El Angel]

Lara KO Hernandez inside a minute. I guess staying busy is smart though.