Is Manny Pacquiao the most overrated fighter of the past 25 years?

[SplitSecond]

That means what?

more baldomirs and judahs?

[The Tase]

Pacquiao is the recipient of more awards, but most certainly not the best fighter of even the last 5 years.

Pacquiao is definitely NOT the most accomplished of any era. His accomplishments above 135lbs are moot. Between vacant titles and catchweights, Manny Pacquiao has all but nullified the glory he would have received had he fought those matches in legitimate fashion.

Championships do not change hands under catchweight rules. Vacant titles are only useful when there isn't a recognized champion in the division. If used otherwise, its a sideways crab attempt to raise your standings without facing a champion.

Manny Pacquiao's first step up to world class competition came in his 41st fight. He only has 59 fights!

Manny gets big credit for Barrera and Morales who beat him in their first bout, but JMM arguably taught Pacquiao boxing lessons in all three of their fights. The last fight was a clear win for JMM, and the boxing world knows it. That's why even though Pacquiao got the official "L", he's been demoted on many lists.

If Pacquiao beat Devon Alexander next, would it be a big deal or help his legacy? The answer is no ... because Bradley already defeated Alexander and because of that, Devon's perceived threat is now largely diminished if at all there anymore passed a puncher's chance.

With that said, why has Pacquiao been given credit for the majority of his fights since Diaz? DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley were ALL coming of confidence-shattering, career losses. Their perceived threat was removed. Knowing this to be true, why did Pacquiao target each and EVERY ONE of them only after they were coming off those career losses?

Why the double standard?

I don't care what boxing writers association award Pacquiao has, the RANK of his opponents is all that ever matters when weighing the significance of a win. Pacquiao has deliberately avoided any fighter ranked third or better since Diaz aside from JMM and Bradley. Beating a 5th ranked fighter is no accomplishment. It might be an exciting fight, but there is no glory in beating a man ranked 5th or worse.

I'll give Pacquiao the credit he deserves. He beat Barrera and Morales soundly. Outside of that, he's got 40 fights against an array of bums and his whole campaign at 147lbs was a farce. Manny Pacquiao is exciting to watch and anyone who denies that is a liar.

But best fighter? Hell no. He's not even the best at WW. He was never even a factor at jrMW as he fought a banned WW for a vacant jrMW belt.

End of story: Count Pacquiao's win beginning with Barrera and ending with Diaz. That's the real bulk of his legitimate legacy. Only those 18 fights. everything else before that is padding. Everything else after it is catchweights, rehydration stipulations and vacant belts.

He's a great fighter, but his legacy is not and neither are his last three fights. You've got to beat the best to be the best, and Pacquiao has not consistently done that.

Before anyone takes offense, remember a great legacy is about who you beat and what rank they were when you beat them. If they weren't ranked third or better, then the fight wasn't about glory or even rank. It was a mandatory or a tune up. It sure wasn't against a contender. Real contenders are ranked third or better.

thanks for your baseless, floyd agenda opinions, & baseless assertions.

Your words & opinions are worthless & carry no weight whatsoever.


Ill stick with facts and boxing publications whose words & opinions means more than yours.

[SpeedKillz]

i know more than you that's for sure.

oh ok good comeback buddy.

well my dad can beat up your dad WAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAAHH!!!

[therealpugilist]

That's all that means though right? It doesn't mean that they're greater than him cuz' they defeated more champs right?

doesnt mean they're greater is just that people keep bringing up Manny may have beaten more hall of famers(we dont know this yet) and won more titles
than anyone in his era(which is true), but what is also is true he hasnt beat the most champions and title holders although he won the most belts


Its just ironic people talk about Jones and Mayweather fighting stiffs, and ODLH losing all his big fights but they all three beat more champions and titlists

[The Tase]

oh ok good comeback buddy.

well my dad can beat up your dad WAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAAHH!!!

ohh look he's posting baby bottles instead of boxing facts & knowledge.


yaayyy for the infantile ******.

[The Big Dunn]

exactly. & floyd falls into that category as well. He's from pac's era. David diaz at least has gone up against humberto zoto, zab judah, kendall holt.

Who has Henry Bruseles faced? or philip ndou?

we can do this to every fighter's resume.

Exactly, which speaks to my point about opinions. IMO, manny is overrated. There are those that project him in the top 30 fighters of all time based on his accomplishments above 135.

When I look at those accomplishments and I look at who he fought, at what weight, and the circumstances, BASED solely on in the ring variables, I see a fighter who is not as good as Floyd, Roy, Bhop, Ricardo Lopez, Sweet Pea, Toney over the last 25 years.

The people who see him as better are overating him IMO. That doesn't change his accomplishments or his expected induction into the HOF.

[Khalid X]

This thread exist because Manny won FOTD.

Floyd and his fans need to let it go.

[SpeedKillz]

This thread exist because Manny won FOTD.

Floyd and his fans need to let it go.

but then this forum would go out of business, and you know it.

that, and we wouldnt have guys like DTMB to entertain us, so Im glad manny won FOTD...

[The Tase]

doesnt mean they're greater is just that people keep bringing up Manny may have beaten more hall of famers(we dont know this yet) and won more titles
than anyone in his era(which is true), but what is also is true he hasnt beat the most champions and title holders although he won the most belts


Its just ironic people talk about Jones and Mayweather fighting stiffs, and ODLH losing all his big fights but they all three beat more champions and titlists

again, in this proliferated number of belts, champions, & boxing organizations, beating a champion is not the same as beating a great fighter.

Being a title holder doesnt always equal a great fighter.


But since you're just a casual fan you wouldnt know that would you even after i just posted it earlier.

[therealpugilist]

Exactly, which speaks to my point about opinions. IMO, manny is overrated. There are those that project him in the top 30 fighters of all time based on his accomplishments above 135.

When I look at those accomplishments and I look at who he fought, at what weight, and the circumstances, BASED solely on in the ring variables, I see a fighter who is not as good as Floyd, Roy, Bhop, Ricardo Lopez, Sweet Pea, Toney over the last 25 years.

The people who see him as better are overating him IMO. That doesn't change his accomplishments or his expected induction into the HOF.

agreed....I try to tell people its not always who you beat but when you beat them

I must admit I dont rate him over Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez, Jones, or Mayweather...but he is neck and neck with Hopkins and Toney could pass them