Watching that old Pacquiao ko highlight, young Pac-Man didnt seem destined greatness

[Fetta]

gtfo with those facts and logic. Cotto bloodied Floyd's nose. that's automatic induction to IBHOF.

He never once mentioned Floyd. And you call me the dicrider. LOL GTFOH

[Roman Moreno]

Like i said many dont agree with me that Cotto is a HOFer (never said first ballot to be clear) and thats fine they dont think he is cause they dont think his wins are that good as you dont. But there are many who do. So why is it hard to accept that there are those who think pre-Diaz Pac is a HOFer and those who dont think his wins are worthy enough. He had good wins and ok ill call MAB a great win but he lost to prime Morales and then fought a shot fighter the next two times and i am one of those who think JMM is 2-0-1 with Pac. So yes i watched boxing back then but i just dont agree with you and vice versa.

This is similar to Cris Carter and the hall, in a sense. Some say he is good enough to get in and im one of them but he isnt in..yet. Which means some dont think he was good enough.

So 2 and 3 fights later he became "shot" after being prime? OK

My beef is that if you think Pac is a HOF'er or not or if Cotto is a HOF'er or not.

You don't know what my opinion of Cotto wins are TBH.

My beef is think that Cotto is a HOF'er AND Pac isn't pre Diaz.

This isn't anything like a damn Carter and football crap.

Win for win and accomplishments for accomplishments tell me how Cotto is a HOF'er and Pac wasn't pre Diaz...Win for win and accomplishments for accomplishments. Or how do you consider HOF?

[The Tase]

Like i said many dont agree with me that Cotto is a HOFer (never said first ballot to be clear) and thats fine they dont think he is cause they dont think his wins are that good as you dont. But there are many who do. So why is it hard to accept that there are those who think pre-Diaz Pac is a HOFer and those who dont think his wins are worthy enough. He had good wins and ok ill call MAB a great win but he lost to prime Morales and then fought a shot fighter the next two times and i am one of those who think JMM is 2-0-1 with Pac. So yes i watched boxing back then but i just dont agree with you and vice versa.

This is similar to Cris Carter and the hall, in a sense. Some say he is good enough to get in and im one of them but he isnt in..yet. Which means some dont think he was good enough.

lol......


Roman,

notice how you present him with facts & every single one of his responses are opinon based.

[shogunn]

"The moon doesnt exist! This is my opinion, why do you **** riders get mad when I state my opinion that it's just not out there. This is a forum of free flowing discussion. If I say it doesnt exist then its my opinion. To each their own"

[The Tase]

"The moon doesnt exist! This is my opinion, why do you **** riders get mad when I state my opinion that it's just not out there. This is a forum of free flowing discussion. If I say it doesnt exist then its my opinion. To each their own"

opinions without any evidence or basis. At lest come at us with some facts not some opinion based on floyd's baseless assertions that have been debunked several times already.

[koboy]

yea i know, but most fighters that eventually become professional greats, you see the signs while their in the amatuers or early on in their pro careers....For example everyone new Sugar Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Michael Spinks, Roy Jones, their are some that werent the best ams....like Trinidad but we knew he'd be special

Manny kinda came out of no where...I guess thats where the phenomenon comes from

It's interesting how you name mostly American fighters. Maybe therein lies your answer. American fighters get the most exposure and most hype when it comes to this sport. So how can you really expect someone from a third workd developing country compete with the same expectations and public perception that these young Americans get.

Maybe therein lies his greatness, to come out of nowhere and achieve what he has as opposed to most of the American fighters who were expected to be great but actually under achieved. Does anybody remember Ed Hopson, Panchito Bojado, Mark Breland, just to name a few.

[IMDAZED]

It's interesting how you name mostly American fighters. Maybe therein lies your answer. American fighters get the most exposure and most hype when it comes to this sport. So how can you really expect someone from a third workd developing country compete with the same expectations and public perception that these young Americans get.

Maybe therein lies his greatness, to come out of nowhere and achieve what he has as opposed to most of the American fighters who were expected to be great but actually under achieved. Does anybody remember Ed Hopson, Panchito Bojado, Mark Breland, just to name a few.

It's not interesting that he named "American" fighters. If you looked closer, you'd see that all of those names were hyped because of terrific amateur careers. They didn't just pop out of nowhere and people said, "hey, he's American, let's hype him." They were all highly respected amateurs before turning pro; fighters expected to do big things as professionals. Kostya Tszyu was also hyped entering the pros. The Klitschko's. And so forth. While I agree that it's much tougher for a person from a third world country, I think Manny's lack of recognition early on is based on his largely mediocre amateur career and early defeats. He sort of learned on the job (as many fighters do) while his natural talents carried him through the ups and downs.

[eklok]

stop exposing the flo mo's credibility

their a fan of floyds work , like idol like fans , just dumb and ******ed

[illwill112]

special shakes can help with that

I see you drinking some of that special hate again.

[Frogs!]

pac not hof worthy pre-diaz?

news to me.