Watching that old Pacquiao ko highlight, young Pac-Man didnt seem destined greatness

[The Tase]

so coming from poverty is amazing in boxing??? Mayweather had it hard himself growing up
So do you really think Pacquaio endured the worst conditions of any champion in recent memory...try what Kassim Ouma went through, now thats amazing dude should be dead.

who said that? jumping to conclusions already? we are talking about floyd & manny & how they came up, not how kassim ouma came up because you didnt mention kassim ouma when you were trying to slag on pac & where he was early in his career in comparison to where floyd was.

stay on point to what you were saying. Dont try to move the goal post.

[Primera]

Top Rank is a NO TESTING ZONE.

no tests for manny

[Fetta]

You're harping too much on Pac juicing. Yes Pac juices or has juiced. Before Ariza he had a resume and accomplishments to be in the HOF.

You don't want to put him in the HOF or call him great because he juices... That's fine. Just say that.

But, don't be ignorant to the fact that you can't accomplish what this man accomplished before Ariza joined the team without having the "it" factor. You just can't have those accomplishments. Enough to warrant being in the HOF. Maybe not first ballot and depending on who's in the ballot but if he would have retired after the 2nd JMM fight. He would have rightfully been in the HOF at some point.

Just look at WTF he accomplished FFS's, this forum gets silly at times.

Like i said ok think that. To each his own. To me he wasnt there yet but to you he was. Ok. I know many who think that.

At the same time i think Cotto is a HOFer and i know many who dont think he is.

And yes maybe he would have ben in the HOF at some point and thats what i was thinking then the rise came and i backed off of it. I dont think what he did would warrent a HOF when he was in the lower weights to me.

Just like Bonds to me. Never failed and even found innnocent in court but to me not a HOF cause of suspicion but he was on his way before the cloud came. Thats just me.

[Roman Moreno]

I been watching boxing for a long time....he came out of no where because he had no following, already had two kayo losses to lesser fighters and the Ledwaba fight was impressive but he didnt hit the big scene until he upset Barrera.....Manny has been a pro since 1996....thats 7 years Mayweather had been fighting big fights on HBO since 1998...its not the same, people heard of Mayweather and saw him being a good pro early on in his career

Excellent point!

What is considered the big scene? Lol at not acknowledging Flyweights rarely his whatever you guys are considering as the big scene.

FWIW, Floyd won his first lineal title in October of 1998. Just 2 months later in December of 1998 Pac won his first lineal title. Not far behind Floyd. And, that was without having the extensive amateur career that Floyd had.

[Roman Moreno]

Like i said ok think that. To each his own. To me he wasnt there yet but to you he was. Ok. I know many who think that.

At the same time i think Cotto is a HOFer and i know many who dont think he is.

And yes maybe he would have ben in the HOF at some point and thats what i was thinking then the rise came and i backed off of it. I dont think what he did would warrent a HOF when he was in the lower weights to me.

Just like Bonds to me. Never failed and even found innnocent in court but to me not a HOF cause of suspicion but he was on his way before the cloud came. Thats just me.

GTFOH, we're done. No need to have this convo anymore.

[Fetta]

lmfaaaooo what quick rise are you talking about?

Ive already figured you out. I can see you coming from a mile away. YOu are basically parroting floyd's two main assertions as to why he thinks pac is roiding;

1 His multiple division weight gain
2 Late Improvement as a fighter

(again all claims by floyd)

BOTH HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED SEVERAL TIME ALREADY WITH MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF BOXERS WHO HAVE DONE THE SAME THING IN EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED FASHION.

& the fact that you dont know that tells me everything i need to know about how much you know about boxing.

I have already answered that in a previuos post. So if you can see me coming a mile away then why didnt you read them or even know them? Ill take a shot in the dark..cause im not a Pac fan and you automatically believe im a Floyd fan cause of that fact. Your such a fanboy and i hate talking to guys like you. All you do is hate cause you dont agree with my opinion. Grow up kid im not the only one who thinks this way. Get used to it and try to control your hate

[Roman Moreno]

lmfaaaooo what quick rise are you talking about?

Ive already figured you out. I can see you coming from a mile away. YOu are basically parroting floyd's two main assertions as to why he thinks pac is roiding;

1 His multiple division weight gain
2 Late Improvement as a fighter

(again all claims by floyd)

BOTH HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED SEVERAL TIME ALREADY WITH MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF BOXERS WHO HAVE DONE THE SAME THING IN EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED FASHION.

& the fact that you dont know that tells me everything i need to know about how much you know about boxing.

Lol these fan boy dickriders can say all they want on how they watched Pac. But, they didn't. When you start parroting what Floyd says about a quick rise, insinuating that he was just ordinary and became extraordinary. To saying Cotto is a HOF'er yet Pac at 130 no matter all the great accomplishments and wins he had was not a HOF'er. Calling the MAB win just "good" GTFOH. They didn't watch ****. Obviously it just a dicriders.

[Fetta]

GTFOH, we're done. No need to have this convo anymore.

Exactly. different opinions.

[Dempsey-Roll]

First you make this thread and the "is pacquiao the most overrated fighter of the past 25 year?" thread, and your getting defensive when people reply back with reasonable arguements? Dude, your a pac hating troll, we get it. Im not even a pac tard, but can see through this bs your trying to pull.

My thoughts excatly.
Sry TS, but this sounds right.

[Fetta]

Lol these fan boy dickriders can say all they want on how they watched Pac. But, they didn't. When you start parroting what Floyd says about a quick rise, insinuating that he was just ordinary and became extraordinary. To saying Cotto is a HOF'er yet Pac at 130 no matter all the great accomplishments and wins he had was not a HOF'er. Calling the MAB win just "good" GTFOH. They didn't watch ****. Obviously it just a dicriders.

Just cause i dont agree with you im a dicrider. Yeah thats what it is. I dont know boxing but you do. GTFOOH These forums with these dumb threads where if you state yuor opinion your insulted or labeled a Floyd dicrider for some reason. Even though i didnt mention him. Tried not to so i dont have to deal with this type of crap but i guess there is no escaping it.