Comments Thread For: Arum Not Worried About Pacquiao Matching Floyd's Stats

[tomhawq]

Disgusting & repugnant Floyd Fluffers such as yourself are just as bad if not worse. This is the same fan base, that tried to make excuses & defend floyd for every ****** incorrect thing he says from comparing his drug crusade to the civil rights struggle of dr. martin luther king & malcolm x to flyod's racist, xenophobic rant, beating his baby mama to floyd's disrespect of past great fighters because he's undefeated & they are not.

You want to talk about parroting? That is a Floyd Stan Specialty. From parroting floyd's i got paid 20 mill in one night vs the big show, to floyd's continued character assassination of pac using steroids, to how much bob arum takes off of pac's check...

the list is endless.

Get off your false sense of fake moral high ground along with your feigning neutrality and grossly exaggerated fake boxing knowledge.

Dont act like floyd fans are above reproach. Its a two way street here.

& no, Floyd did not hit 1 mill ppvs vs hatton. Talk about living in a magical world.

there you go. i couldn't have said it better. "repugnant" is the right term for these floydiots. i cringe when they associate their hero's name with the real star pacman. i'd rather see pbf fight his own fights. it's general consensus that pbf will avoid pac at all costs. look at these floydiots. they're now into ppv issues all of a sudden as soon as the the ped testing issue disappeared.

martinez vs mayweather is fine with me.

[borgata]

I 've been saying this all the time ; Mayweather is overhyped by US media. People just watch his fights because they want to see him lose. Once he does, it's over. Also, his ppv buys are because people pay to see the other fighter. Cotto drew many fans, Canelo too. Credit should be given to them, after all it was Cinco de Mayo!!!!!

how many PPV's did Cotto Margarito 2 do? oh ok right 300kish? STFU you are talking out of your a$$.

[The Big Dunn]

there you go. i couldn't have said it better. "repugnant" is the right term for these floydiots. i cringe when they associate their hero's name with the real star pacman. i'd rather see pbf fight his own fights. it's general consensus that pbf will avoid pac at all costs. look at these floydiots. they're now into ppv issues all of a sudden as soon as the the ped testing issue disappeared.

martinez vs mayweather is fine with me.

of course it is because that way manny doesn't lose, because consensus is manny loses big to both these guys.

[lfc19titles]

Let's see how they do with common opponents

floyd-cotto
manny-cotto
(floyd wins)

floyd-mosley
manny-mosley
(floyd wins)

floyd-hatton
manny-hatton
(floyd wins)

floyd-de la hoya
manny-de la hoya
(floyd wins)

coincidence?

Thats the thing, its not just floyd, its another star power or two with him which inflates the ppv numbers as some people are buying for them, what is so hard to understand about that?

also remember oscar was the cash cow, not floyd or manny when they fought him

manny vs marquez 1.41m to floyds 1.05m

manny vs cotto, 1.4m according to this article to floyd vs cotto/mosley vs canelo 1.5m

do you see what I mean by my last example? floyd is smart, he makes himself look better by using guys like mosley and canelo to boost the numbers which he for some reason takes credit for lol and all his fans just eat it up like sheep

[The Big Dunn]

Thats the thing, its not just floyd, its another star power or two with him which inflates the ppv numbers as some people are buying for them, what is so hard to understand about that?

also remember oscar was the cash cow, not floyd or manny when they fought him

manny vs marquez 1.41m to floyds 1.05m

manny vs cotto, 1.4m according to this article to floyd vs cotto/mosley vs canelo 1.5m

do you see what I mean by my last example? floyd is smart, he makes himself look better by using guys like mosley and canelo to boost the numbers which he for some reason takes credit for lol and all his fans just eat it up like sheep

floyd/odh 2,45 mil
manny/odh 1.25 mil
odh/tito 1.4 mil
floyd/cotto 1.5 mil
manny/cotto 1.25 mil

Bye!

[champ_kw]

Mayweather’s PPV numbers: Gatti 365k, Judah 375k, Baldomir 325k, De La Hoya 2.4mill, Hatton 920k, Marquez 1 million, Mosley 1.4 million, Ortiz 1.25 million, Cotto 1.5 million. Floyd’s total is 9,535,000 PPV’s sold.

Pacquiao’s PPV numbers: Morales 1 350k, Morales2 360k, Morales3 350k, Solis 200k, Barerra2 350k, Marquez2 400k, Diaz 250k, De La Hoya 1.25 mill, Hatton 850k, Cotto 1.25 million, Clottey 700k, Margarito 1.15 million, Mosley 1.3 million, Marquez 1.45 million. Manny’s total is 10,210,000.
I tried to do my best and get the most accurate numbers. I couldn’t get Manny’s numbers for his fight with Oscar Larios because the PPV was in the Phillipines. Floyd has sold about 9.5 mill in 9 PPV appearances. Manny has about 10.2 mill in 14 PPV appearances. Manny has sold MORE PPV while Floyd averages more per appearance.


Manny has fought some less promoted, lesser name guys on smaller PPV shows. Where as Floyd who is marketed better ,fought bigger more recognizable names on PPV. Floyd also grosses more in his PPV because he is smart enough to charge more. Manny has done much larger live audiences because of his fights in Texas, the stadium is much larger. Floyd usually fights in Vegas where the venue holds around 16k. Depending who I talked to both guys bring heavy money from the bettors. Some say Manny brings in the Asian contingent to the casinos, some say Floyd brings in the urban ballers. I don’t have an accurate number so let’s call that a push. I also couldn’t get a gauge on the Asian market because it’s too extensive.


So there it is another myth that Floyd has sold more PPV than Manny. Floyd has done a higher average on his PPV and he has outsold with most of their common opponents. The real noticeable difference in that department is the De La Hoya fight. But we have to be honest Floyd was the clear B side and had never done over 400k, that was the first 24/7 in which Floyd did a great job in promoting and it was the before the recession. I’m trying to be fair and factor everything in. Manny has only outsold Floyd against Marquez as far as common opponents, 1.45 mill to 1 mill. Against Cotto, Floyd sold 1.5 million and Manny sold 1.25 million. But Floyd’s fight was on Cinco De Mayo and a Mexican star in Alvarez supported the show. Alvarez was paid a whopping sum to be on an undercard, a valid point in which any fair arbitrator has to factor in.


When Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard went to the negotiation tables. Leonard asked for a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 although he was regularly fighting in 12 rounders by that time. Look at his boxrec and attack another false myth. Leonard asked for 10 oz gloves. 10 oz gloves were common also back then for fighters over 147lbs. Now because Hagler conceded to these things, despite Leonard being the bigger star slightly, Hagler made more money. Not only did he get a larger guarantee, but he got more Closed Circuit money. Hagler was allowed to take 48 states of the Closed Circuit while Leonard received the proceeds from DC and Maryland his home states.


In Floyd’s case if Manny is conceding to extra random blood testing, then why can’t Manny at least get a 50/50 cut when everything is so close as far as star power? Tell me was I bias or fair. Tell me did I touch all pertinent facts and state a reasonable solution. Last but not least Manny is pretty much equal to Floyd as far as star power in the US. He has more endorsements and they are both recognizable faces. Floyd is from the US. Manny towers over Floyd in the Philippines and Asian market which will also generate a large sum of money from this fight. Asians actually make up the world’s largest population. If there was ever a 50/50 fight or 45/45..10 for winner, this is it.

This post has some good points and some utterly atrocious ones. I'm not gonna debate the hard numbers in your post, but the fact still remains Floyd name is associated with two PPV record breaking fights. So the sum of all of Pac fights may edge Floyd, the per fight numbers hold more weight. Other than that, you just typed all that to simply say Manny fought on PPV more. That's not really a bargaining chip.

And u completely mischaracterized the Hagler vs Leonard negotiations. Leonard only really wanted a bigger ring. Leonard was still the person in the drivers seat and got what he wanted. Hagler conceded to what Leonard wanted if he got the bigger purse, which he did. The correct analogy would be Floyd really wanting the bigger purse and getting it. While Pac get all the stuff he really wanted like the random $10 per pound over the limit penalty. Pac doesn't deserve 50/50. When talking money, money matters have to equal up and Pac just doesn't produce at the register like Floyd. Those are the only real numbers that matter.

[-Kev-]

You should be worried.

Pac-Bradley will bomb, HARD. I know people who claim to be pacroid fans and they didn't even know he has a fight coming up. They don't even know who his opponent is lmao

also lol @ Arum making excuses for when it does bomb

It probably does better than Pac-Clottey which supposedly did 700k.

[Roman Moreno]

how many PPV's did Cotto Margarito 2 do? oh ok right 300kish? STFU you are talking out of your a$$.

I thought it did 600k and the first did around 500k.

[champ_kw]

Thats the thing, its not just floyd, its another star power or two with him which inflates the ppv numbers as some people are buying for them, what is so hard to understand about that?

also remember oscar was the cash cow, not floyd or manny when they fought him

manny vs marquez 1.41m to floyds 1.05m

manny vs cotto, 1.4m according to this article to floyd vs cotto/mosley vis canelo 1.5m

do you see what I mean by my last example? floyd is smart, he makes himself look better by using guys like mosley and canelo to boost the numbers which he for some reason takes credit for lol and all his fans just eat it up like sheep

I've never seen people give undercards so much credit before. So does Arum just start his broadcasts at 11 when Manny fights?

[Primera]

I heard Tony-Cotto 2 did 800k