Roy Jones Jr. Vs Sugar Ray Robinson

[Paclan]

It's everywhere lol hell

This is literally the longest SRR video I can find on youtube, and it's only the end.

[bojangles1987]

This is literally the longest SRR video I can find on youtube, and it's only the end.

Usually longer fights are in parts. Just put in Robinson's name on Google and go to videos, set it so you only get videos 20 minutes or longer. I just did that and got two full fights 20 minutes long and 30 minutes long.

[Paclan]

Usually longer fights are in parts. Just put in Robinson's name on Google and go to videos, set it so you only get videos 20 minutes or longer. I just did that and got two full fights 20 minutes long and 30 minutes long.

I did that lol, there's no long footage on him. I know because I wanted to see why everyone was calling him the G.O.A.T a while back and there was just no footage.

At lot of the the titles say sugar ray robinson vs xxxx part 1, but there's no part 2.

[bojangles1987]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xMLt9Vakrg

Robinson vs. Gene Fullmer, full fight.

[boliodogs]

Robinson was plenty great enough at 160 to make this a really intriguing question. Matching Robinson against damn near anyone at 147 would probably be a mismatch in most people's eyes.

It is a good question and I answered it truthfully, and gave my reasons for my answer. Everyone certainly has the right to disagree. I think he was better at 147 but he did have two draws and several split decisions when he fought at that weight so him against some of the other great welterweights might not be mismatches.

[New England]

If you want to be fair you need to bring the weight down to 160 because Robinson was a natural welterweight. That means he was about the same size as a big 140 lb. fighter of today because He had no problems making 147 the day of the fight. He might have been the best welterweight of all time but not the best middleweight of all time in my opinion. Roy Jones was a much bigger man. Jones was faster and hit harder than Robinson. Robinson came to fight so Jones would KO him in my opinion. Robinson lost middleweight tittle fights to Gene Fulmer, Basillo, a welterweight, who spotted him 6 lbs., Paul Pender, and Randy Turpin. I have seen plenty of films of Robinson and consider him somewhat overrated. He had flaws. Over the years the oldtimers have firmly established him as the greatest PFP that ever lived and you are not supposed to question this. At welterweight maybe, but not at middleweight. Not to me. If those other guys could beat him Jones would beat him because he was alot better than any of them. I know Robinson beat Fulmer, Basillo, and Turpin in rematches but Jones would not have lost to them even once.

some nice points. robinson was a big welterweight in terms of his frame. tall and with a long reach. and obviously as you know these guys fought constantly, many times a year and sometimes even per month, so his weight is never going to have a chance to balloon. i dont think he'd be at 140 today in the heart of what was his prime at ww in the 50's.
he had big shoulders and muscle.

every loss you mentioned came after robinson's best days. his only loss in his prime was against jake lamotta. back then, guys lost and moved on


robinson did have flaws in that he was open to get hit. he made up for it by being a complete savage and having a great chin. no fighter is perfect. robinson is the least flawed fighter of all time.

it's not really possible to be impartial about a great fighter like robinson. for starters, before you even knew what a great fighter looked like, people were telling you that robinson is the greatest to ever lace them up
he's well filmed past his prime, but there's only bits and pieces of him at his absolute best. i guess it's easy to overate a guy of that esteem.

i believe the TS asks/should ask us this:
could 50's robinson take prime roy jones

the weight thing is bopkiss in my estimation. i doubt prime jones is going to drain himself down to 164 lbs.

roy's best work was at 168 and 175. i think that MW robinson at his best would take the roy that fought at 160 lbs who was very young and relatively green.

prime robinson was, as stated, a WW. or more appropriately, robinson's best weight and beginning of his career was at WW, because he got more done as a MW in terms of his great-making resume

i think that the issue is size. roy was markedly larger than robinson.

at 168 lbs, roy decision.

[BoxingGenius27]

In all honesty, elite fighters in Robinson's era had advantages that fighters these days don't have.

Film. Contemporary fighters are allowed to watch film of their opponents and exploit weaknesses. Jones and many others have gone against opponents that new their advantages and disadvantages and still managed to dominate boxing for 15 years straight.

In Robinson's day, there weren't fighters watching replays of what you like to do. This put elite fighters in that time period at a HUGE advantage.

That said, RJJ will beat SRR due to his speed, power, quickness, and movement. A prime RJJ never stood in the same spot for more than a second like he's done for the last 8 years or so. Jones would've landed one of his left hooks and that would've changed Robinson's whole game plan of wanting to exchange with thunderous combinations, because he knows one of those blinding fast left hooks from Jones could end the night early.

[edgarg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xMLt9Vakrg

Robinson vs. Gene Fullmer, full fight.

Robinson was even in his later 30's for this fight. Before he fought Randolph Turpin and lost, his record was 132-1. He was fighting ex-welterweight champions like Marty Servo and Fritzie Zivic, when he was still a lightweight-beating them too. In hia first 5 fights with LaMotta he was giving away 12-16 lbs regularly, and he did this in many other fights too.

When he fought 175 lb Joey Maxim, he weighed 156 and by the fight's end ne was 147. He retired for 3 years, and came back aged 35, his best days long behind him. When he had his record-breaking fights with Olsen, Basilio and Fullmer, he was entering and in his very late 30's.

Just to show what a remarkable fighter he was, he'd fought a successful welterweight defense,, and less than 2 weeks later, fought and won the Pennsylvania World Middleweight crown against a very good fighter Jose Basora.

Guys like Robinson are unique historical figures.

As to whether he'd beat Jones, yes I'd say it's possible, but at the same time, as a middleweight, Robinson was not unbeatable, as we very well know. If Jones could keep from getting caught for 12-15 rds, yes, he would win, but I feel that Robinson would eventually be able to time him, and although he'd miss many, he'd tag him a few, which might have been enough. An inferior but good, defensive fighter Paul Pender, beat him twice, but Robinson was 40, and, although still good, fallible, and could be tied up. And Jones was a different fighter to Pender.

It's a toss-up.

[The Big Dunn]

Robinson was even in his later 30's for this fight. Before he fought Randolph Turpin and lost, his record was 132-1. He was fighting ex-welterweight champions like Marty Servo and Fritzie Zivic, when he was still a lightweight-beating them too. In hia first 5 fights with LaMotta he was giving away 12-16 lbs regularly, and he did this in many other fights too.

When he fought 175 lb Joey Maxim, he weighed 156 and by the fight's end ne was 147. He retired for 3 years, and came back aged 35, his best days long behind him. When he had his record-breaking fights with Olsen, Basilio and Fullmer, he was entering and in his very late 30's.

Just to show what a remarkable fighter he was, he'd fought a successful welterweight defense,, and less than 2 weeks later, fought and won the Pennsylvania World Middleweight crown against a very good fighter Jose Basora.

Guys like Robinson are unique historical figures.

As to whether he'd beat Jones, yes I'd say it's possible, but at the same time, as a middleweight, Robinson was not unbeatable, as we very well know. If Jones could keep from getting caught for 12-15 rds, yes, he would win, but I feel that Robinson would eventually be able to time him, and although he'd miss many, he'd tag him a few, which might have been enough. An inferior but good, defensive fighter Paul Pender, beat him twice, but Robinson was 40, and, although still good, fallible, and could be tied up. And Jones was a different fighter to Pender.

It's a toss-up.

Quick question, could it be possible the fighters he fought after the long layoff be overared?

[Hardasnailz]

Roy Jones Junior by whatever he wants you ****. And while we're at it, David Haye would KO Muhammad Ali in 3. MUPPETS. Time elapses and human beings get better at sport (as proven with world records) Tools, stop nut hugging the past. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.