Originally posted by DTMB
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For ones I agree with Arum on this. "Floyd style is for blocking right hand fighters"
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DTMB, way to answer like a fanboy and totally avoid a counter-question.
Again, if Morales (when still near his best) and Marquez can make Pacquiao struggle (and on one occassion, beat him) with boxing and counter-punching, what would happen when the best boxer/counter-puncher faces him? Marquez easily "put" hands on Pacquiao. The straight right couldn't miss. Pacquiao's punch output seriously drops, and with it his accuracy, when facing this style.
Next, Cotto didn't win five rounds against Mayweather (not on any official scorecard I saw). You also have to consider, Mayweather was fighting at Cotto's preferred weight, no stips. That may not best suit him, being heavier and as a result, slower.
Do I have to bring you to heel with your so-called logic? Ali struggled with brawlers like Frazier, yet the most fearsome one that wiped Frazier (and Norton) out easily, got stopped by Ali (Foreman, if I need to remind you). The whole southpaw thing could mean something, then again it might not. I don't think Pacquiao fans were so sure after the last bout with Marquez. Funny how things change though.
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Originally posted by Marvellous1 View PostDTMB, way to answer like a fanboy and totally avoid a counter-question.
Again, if Morales (when still near his best) and Marquez can make Pacquiao struggle (and on one occassion, beat him) with boxing and counter-punching, what would happen when the best boxer/counter-puncher faces him? Marquez easily "put" hands on Pacquiao. The straight right couldn't miss. Pacquiao's punch output seriously drops, and with it his accuracy, when facing this style.
Next, Cotto didn't win five rounds against Mayweather (not on any official scorecard I saw). You also have to consider, Mayweather was fighting at Cotto's preferred weight, no stips. That may not best suit him, being heavier and as a result, slower.
Do I have to bring you to heel with your so-called logic? Ali struggled with brawlers like Frazier, yet the most fearsome one that wiped Frazier (and Norton) out easily, got stopped by Ali (Foreman, if I need to remind you). The whole southpaw thing could mean something, then again it might not. I don't think Pacquiao fans were so sure after the last bout with Marquez. Funny how things change though.
Sure pac struggled vs marquez while floyd didnt. Some boxers just match up well with certain fighters. Just like Norton did with ali.
All i know is floyd has yet to face a legit prime hall of fame opponent & when it was time for floyd to do that he started asking for tests never done before in the history of professional prize fighting against a fighter he deemed utterly beneath him yet accuses him of steroid use because of what he is doing in the ring.
If the floyd that shows up vs cotto fights pac he is getting beat. Again, that could change depending on how good or bad pac looks vs bradley.
& learn how to quote a post & floyd fighting cotto does not make cotto and younger or fresher. it doesnt take away all the beating and punishments he took before floyd fought him floyd fanboy.
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DTMB, you have mentioned negociations (testing) resume (who fought Cotto first), but you failed to answer the question laid at your door.... twice.
How have I apologized for anything Mayweather has said or done? I'm talking boxing and what has and may take place between the ropes. You totally failed to understand my point. It wasn't that Mayweather did better against Marquez. It was that the theory that Pacquiao struggles against very good technical boxers and has yet to face the best one on the planet (such as Pacquiao is the best southpaw). Geddit? The question can be applied both ways. I applied it to you, and you either ignored it or can't answer. You could easily say that if the same Pacquiao that faced Marquez most recently shows up against Mayweather, he would get soundly beaten too. Marquez was not exactly prime, not at his natural weight and has been in many a hard fight. You will now probably come back at me with all the little nuances that make Marquez and Mayweather different, and why the logic doesn't apply. The same can be done with Bob Arum's statement.
So make up your mind. Are we going to talk about the topic of Mayweather's supposed weakness against lefties, or are you going to drag the thread down the familiar and done-to-death route?
Oh... and picking on quoting methods? Feeble......
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just because floyd had problems with Cotto jab (left hand)
does not equal success for pac's left hand
Cotto's left hand since he is orthodox is his lead hand
pac's left hand since he is a southpaw is not his lead hand but the back hand.
pacs left hand has a lot more distance to cover before reaching his opponent. oppose to Cotto's left hand which is in front has less distance to cover to reach floyds face.
if you are a skilled fighter with good ring generalship than you will be able to see manny left hand coming because it comes from a distance. especially the way pac throws it he leaps in. telegraphing it.
now if pac had a good jab himself that would be a different story. because a southpaw jab has less distance to cover than when two orthodox boxers face eachother. and southpaw has more experience jabbing orthodox boxer but manny jab is not that great or as good as cotto jab by comparison
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Originally posted by Scott9945 View PostSounds to me like Arum knows plenty about promoting and who he represents. In real life this is good business.
Long live the points. Long live the green.!
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Originally posted by DTMB View Postso how come his own dad says that he doesnt want floyd facing southpaws?
Demarcus Corley put hands on floyd. So did zab judah. & that was against a much younger floyd.
WTF is gonna happen when/if floyd faces the greatest southpaw fighter since pernell whitaker if those fighters lesser than pacquiao put hands on a much younger floyd?
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Everyone has problems against southpaws. SOUTHPAWS have trouble against other southpaws. Dunno why people are using 10-2, 9-3 esque foghts where he adjusted and continued dominating the rest of the fight as the justification for Pac winning.
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wel to be fair
arum said that about floyd when floyd looked amazing
THE VERY NEXT FIGHT- judah raped mayweather- made him look average
and if judah wasnt a lazy guy he could have probably knocked mayweather out before 8 rounds
i'm not suprised bob says pacquiao is the best fighter he's ever seen
manny started at 105 and has dominated 147
no other fighter in the history of this sport has done anything like that
the old guys started at WW and fought all the way up but usually got their asses handed to them when they had a real test
manny dominated real fighters at huge weights
and yeah- martinez is way too big for pacquiao- fight night he would be about 35 pounds heavier
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