Does a prime George Foreman KO a prime Vitali Klitschko?

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  • billeau2
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    #131
    Originally posted by Boxing Goat
    Lol at your underestimating Vitali post. Ali beat and knocked out prime Foreman with the rope a dope, not movement. Vitali has very good footwork and ring IQ, not to mention punching power and timing. Much more power than Ali. His chin is solid too, theres a reason he's never been knocked down.

    In my opinion, the LL that fought Vitali was a better fighter than any version of Foreman. He was way more technical and was a lot bigger. Prime Foreman was about 220 lbs. Lewis was 3" taller and 30+ lbs heavier.

    You do know Foreman was 5-4 in title fights and lost to a 20-5 Jimmy Young in his prime, who was barely over 200 lbs and was a career loser?

    You are a revisionist. I also did say that Ali beat George by letting him come to him btw. Again Vitali was buckled by Sanders. The LL that fought Vitali was fat and had been ill preparing for an easy win. He still prevailed.

    Now on to your revisionist history: Yes Foreman, good as he was did not prevail every time. JImmy Young was a very talented fighter, watch his fights. Fighting guys like Frazier, Lyle, Young, Ali compared to a fat ll? Please. Size means ****. The biggest heavies are seldom the best. Lets see what size the next champ is, right now it so happens that Lewis was a big heavy and so are the Klits. That is not even a correlation much less proof that bigger fighters are better.

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      #132
      Originally posted by Boxing Goat
      Bwahahahahaha @ hoet6820000000000000006 trying to overrate old time heavies in order to discredit the Klitschko's again.
      Amazingly most people who say things like this seldom watch the old timers fights....go figure. The trainers who worked across generation have a very different opinion.

      One thing you always see is the total lack of foot speed and movement in the heavyweight division as a general rule, sans Haye perhaps.... The Klitschkos are a great example of this lack of movement. Vitali did show good movement and jab against Peter but Peter almost beat Vlad and turned out to be nowhere as good as promised.

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        #133
        ok Ill play along
        Foreman hit million times harder!!!!
        Foreman KO 1!!!!!!!!
        NO DOUBT!!
        Vitaly was almost knocked down in 1 of his fights so his chin is glass!!
        Foreman's chin is million times better!!!!

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          #134
          Originally posted by A_Jeffrey
          ahh, what a nostalgic thread!
          so many ppl said Foreman KOes him that for a second you might think it's could actually happen. lol
          It's hyped up delusion

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            #135
            Originally posted by billeau2
            You are a revisionist. I also did say that Ali beat George by letting him come to him btw. Again Vitali was buckled by Sanders. The LL that fought Vitali was fat and had been ill preparing for an easy win. He still prevailed.

            Now on to your revisionist history: Yes Foreman, good as he was did not prevail every time. JImmy Young was a very talented fighter, watch his fights. Fighting guys like Frazier, Lyle, Young, Ali compared to a fat ll? Please. Size means ****. The biggest heavies are seldom the best. Lets see what size the next champ is, right now it so happens that Lewis was a big heavy and so are the Klits. That is not even a correlation much less proof that bigger fighters are better.
            I was born in 1979, so I wasn't even alive when Foreman was prime. I have to go off of what I see in video clips. I would have to be a revisionist wouldnt I? Anyhow, Foreman only went 3-1 in title fights in his prime and was knocked out by average puncher Ali. Vitali has proven that he's more than capable of taking a good shot and certainly will be able to hit Foreman. This leads me to believe that Vitali would knock him out.

            As I said before, Lennox was nowhere close to being 'fat' in the Vitali fight. He was less than 10 lbs over his prime weight and was coming off of a destruction of Tyson where he had almost never looked better. People like you like to act like Lennox was shot or unmotivated for the Vitali fight but that couldn't be farther from the truth.

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              #136
              Originally posted by A_Jeffrey
              ahh, what a nostalgic thread!
              so many ppl said Foreman KOes him that for a second you might think it's could actually happen. lol
              Wienerschnitzel alt.

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                #137
                Originally posted by Boxing Goat
                I was born in 1979, so I wasn't even alive when Foreman was prime. I have to go off of what I see in video clips. I would have to be a revisionist wouldnt I? Anyhow, Foreman only went 3-1 in title fights in his prime and was knocked out by average puncher Ali. Vitali has proven that he's more than capable of taking a good shot and certainly will be able to hit Foreman. This leads me to believe that Vitali would knock him out.

                As I said before, Lennox was nowhere close to being 'fat' in the Vitali fight. He was less than 10 lbs over his prime weight and was coming off of a destruction of Tyson where he had almost never looked better. People like you like to act like Lennox was shot or unmotivated for the Vitali fight but that couldn't be farther from the truth.
                Didn't you once remark that you started following boxing in the early 80's?

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                  #138
                  I voted no, because I think if George stopped him... Vitali would finish on his feet so it would be a TKO lol... I know, technicality but still. The original question was "does a prime George Foreman KO a prime Vitali Klitschko?"

                  Vitali has a very good chin. Lennox Lewis is one of the hardest punchers of recent years and Vitali withstood his best shots. Foreman was more of a heavy handed puncher, and similar to Lewis he had a good jab when he used it.

                  I think Vitali is tougher than many give him credit for. He has never been down as a pro, and even though his quality of opposition isn't that great, this is still a point that must be considered. I believe Foreman could hurt him, but beyond that I don't know. At the worst I think Vitali gets rocked and isn't able to respond to Foreman's punches which prompt a stoppage. I think his pride and chin enable him to finish on his feet, but the stoppage is not disputed.

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                    #139
                    Originally posted by Simurgh
                    Funny enough, I remember Foreman commenting Lennox-Vitali and saying he would fight Vitali if he beats Lennox.

                    To answer the question. It's possible but not very likely. Vitali has significant advantage in reach and speed.
                    No he doesn't. A prime Foreman was just as quick as a prime Vitali. I believe Foreman has a longer reach as well - he had a significant reach advantage on most of his opponents.

                    Foreman has the power advantage. Not just slightly, his power was awesome. He lifted Joe Frazier off his feet. He could knock everyone out in the world. Including Vitali.

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                      #140
                      Originally posted by billeau2
                      Amazingly most people who say things like this seldom watch the old timers fights....go figure. The trainers who worked across generation have a very different opinion.

                      One thing you always see is the total lack of foot speed and movement in the heavyweight division as a general rule, sans Haye perhaps.... The Klitschkos are a great example of this lack of movement. Vitali did show good movement and jab against Peter but Peter almost beat Vlad and turned out to be nowhere as good as promised.
                      This post shows you know little about Vitali, his foot movement is superb even if it looks awkward. You can see this is apparent in all of his comeback fights. He is clearly a master of in ring spacing which is created by his footwork. Lennox was the only fighter able to get him out of his rythm and he was an atg and generally reguarded as a better fighter than Foreman was.

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