What does Floyd Mayweather need to do to be in the 10 top Greatest of all time?

[pacmanis1]

I read the first few pages but I have to ask everyone, who's really qualified to make these lists? All the p4p lists are littered with people from the beginning of boxing. How many of you have seen all the fighters on the lists? And furthermore how many of you have seen fights from the fighters that the p4p greats beat? I mean unless you've actually seen Jake Lamotta in other fights, SRR beating him doesn't mean as much. I personally think Floyd is amazing but I'm willing to admit I don't have the boxing knowledge to make a real judgement of against all time.

[Oh you out son]

Why are people putting Canelo on their lists? How does a win over Canelo add any credentials to Floyd's ATG status? Canelo has beat absolutely NOBODY up to this point for Floyd to get any credit for beating him. And no he's not a top 10 ATG to me.

ya i was thinking the same thing, Canelo really? (his best win is a 40 year old shot Mosley there for the paycheck). in my opinion, the best looking wins for floyds resume would be 1. pacquiao 2. martinez 3. khan (he might not be great, but he is very popular and many think he will be or is great)

i think all of those are winnable fights for floyd but each one of them would be harder for him than any fight he has currently had. and we all know the chances of him fighting these 3 before he retires are crazy low

[edgarg]

You see I think that vintage guys were exponentially tougher then today's guys...Simply for the fact that times were different and life was infinitely harder...But at the same time...who am I to say that growing up in some Chicago projects to gun shots everyday its not tough....But at the same time, the prospect of being shot, and the reality of being hungry every day are very different things...I think the latter has more to do with my subjective perception of toughness then being popped.

And if you were to take these hard guys of the past and train them with modern technology, techniques and diet, they would have an edge over modern fighters...THat is if they were gifted with modern genetics * (tall, healthy etc...)

They wouldn't have to be "tall, healthy" etc. With today's kind of training, and weighing in
30-36 hours before the fight, they'd be a whole division lower. I mean a 145 lb welterweight of the 1950's could be a 137 lb lightweight, never mind a light-welter. Many of the welter champions were no more than 5'6", or 5'7".

For example, Benny Leonard, possibly the best lightweight ever, and definitely a top 3, was only 5'5'. This was average, yet he was able to fight welterweight champions with ease, and had over 200 fights, losing less than a handful...............including his first fight. According to his bio, he didn't officially lose a fight for 22 years.......except when he was DQ against Jack Britton, the welterweight champ, for hitting him wnen he was taking a knee. It was a late rd and had him well beaten. it was boasted that he could go through a whole fight without even having his hair disarranged. And he fought in the toughest era.

Britton is famous for the 20 fight series that he had with Ted "Kid" Lewis in which the title went back and forth several times. Kid Lewis was voted unanimously to have been the best British fighter of the 20th century. (just a little history-apologies).

[-PBP-]

Does anybody have Floyd ranked higher than Sweet Pea?

[edgarg]

mayweather would have to practically start over and do his whole career differently to even make the top 20.

bingo!!!!!!!

[Easy-E]

If he beats Pac, then Martinez and retires his resume is top 10 all time.

Just look at this:

Pacquiao
Martinez
Cotto
Ortiz
Mosley
Marquez
Hatton
De La Hoya
Judah
Gatti
Castillo
Chavez
Corrales
Hernandez

That is unbelievable. Considering he would be undefeated, that might be the best resume in boxing history. Which fighter can top that?

[Andyreww]

I read the first few pages but I have to ask everyone, who's really qualified to make these lists? All the p4p lists are littered with people from the beginning of boxing. How many of you have seen all the fighters on the lists? And furthermore how many of you have seen fights from the fighters that the p4p greats beat? I mean unless you've actually seen Jake Lamotta in other fights, SRR beating him doesn't mean as much. I personally think Floyd is amazing but I'm willing to admit I don't have the boxing knowledge to make a real judgement of against all time.

+1 this buddy

[edgarg]

At age 32 Ray Robinson lost every round of a 10 round fight to a journeyman fighter named Ralph Jones and even though he fought for another 15 years he never fought Jones again.Even the young Robinson had 2 draws and numerous split decision wins that were not popular with the fans. He fought some guys he had already KOed 3 or 4 times. He sometimes went over a year without defending his tittle. He would sometimes have 10 to 15 non tittle fights between tittle defenses. Yet the oldtimers have so solidly established him as the #1 pound for pound of all time that anyone that disputes his #1 spot is going to piss off alot of people.

Hey, that was his second fight after a nearly 3 year retirement, when he never thought he'd ever fight again. I saw that fight, his timing was way off and he didn't lose by that much.

Although he was the middleweight champ when he fought Joey Maxim the Light-heavy champ he went into the ring weighing 156, and came out weighing 146, collapsing after the 13th rd when well ahead. He retired after this, and Jones was his 1st or 2nd fight in his come-back. He was 35 and already on the slide, although he re-won the title again a few times. Read up on the history of that Maxim fight. The ref collapsed from heat exhaustion in the 10th and had to be replaced. I think it was Ruby Goldstein ? Ringside temp was 105 or 110 degrees. Under the lights it was more.

Tiger Jones beat a few champions, and fought many more. He was always a tough competitor for anybody, very highly regarded. He was built like **** Tiger.

[Banderivets]

he's right bro you have no clue. Evolution doesnt happen in 50 years thats basic. Not to mention its a fact men have less testosterone now then they did 50 years ago because of ****ty food. you are ignorant.

If you dont call the advancements in nutrition and training in the last 50 years anything but REVOLUTIONARY than it is indeed you who is clueless.

No one is talking about guys growing extra muscles or shedding more body hair as a sign of evolution...What is meant is the knowledge of sport and body that is the result of the last few decades.

When people ask me to rank someone...I think about it this way....If I was to take Floyd and pin him against historic 147lbers, how many does he loose to? I really do not care about who beat who or who reigned as champ for X amount of years etc etc...

[Truth]

One thing I've always loved about this forum is the high activity level, thank you all for making this thread successful. I'm glad it created good conversation, that is always my goal when I make a thread.