Roberto Duran ATG? Give me a break..

[intoccabile]

Ok, Im commenting because you actually seem to know what you are talking about and not a total blind idiot.

I never said Floyd would win for 1, I said it is a close competitive fight.

We do have a benchmark we can look at Compubox 100% accurate or not. and see that floyd is miles ahead on his plus/minus rating.

You are right, Floyd has the grit to stand and fight when he has to, it's usually against taller, wide looping punches, not straight fast fighters, Leonard imo doesn't have the size of those other fighters you mentioned to put it on floyd and lean against him and hold him.

I think that Floyd work use his legs and counter-punching abilities and possibly try to go to the body and break him down, I think his defense is also superb.

But as you said leonard is a fast tricky fighter with more power than Floyd

I'd go with 115-113 Floyd if I had to, but i can see a very close fight.

I won't argue with that. I'm not trying to change your opinion just trying to convey my own. To each their own. Leonard wasn't exactly a little guy though. He wasn't huge, but a lot bigger than Floyd is now. Unfortunately there aren't any fights we can look at to get any insight on how their styles mesh because they both 'think' so differently.

I'll say though, Watching Leonard against Floyd Sr you instantly see things that Leonard would do that other men haven't and refuse to. The way floyd blades himself, fighters are reluctantto use their right hands out of fear they will be penalized for hitting Floyd in the back. Be it kidney, lower, anywhere in that area. Leonard had no care for the roll, and beat on Sr's back, kidneys, shoulders, elbows.

Sr may not be teh fighter his son is but he carried a lot more size and natural strength. Leonard dwarfed him in that area that night. I think Leonard wouldn't box with floyd, or respect his power, but instead, look to corner him and tee off as he did his father. And, well, thats why I just don't see the fight going very well for Floyd.

Partially because of how I've seen him perform under those situations in the past (Oscar, Cotto...... dare I say Castillo?). However, I've seen SRL completely shut down and become very respectful when people have timed his jab, countered him, or tried to return the favor and use lateral movement excessively.

[Andyreww]

I won't argue with that. I'm not trying to change your opinion just trying to convey my own. To each their own. Leonard wasn't exactly a little guy though. He wasn't huge, but a lot bigger than Floyd is now. Unfortunately there aren't any fights we can look at to get any insight on how their styles mesh because they both 'think' so differently.

I'll say though, Watching Leonard against Floyd Sr you instantly see things that Leonard would do that other men haven't and refuse to. The way floyd blades himself, fighters are reluctantto use their right hands out of fear they will be penalized for hitting Floyd in the back. Be it kidney, lower, anywhere in that area. Leonard had no care for the roll, and beat on Sr's back, kidneys, shoulders, elbows.

Sr may not be teh fighter his son is but he carried a lot more size and natural strength. Leonard dwarfed him in that area that night. I think Leonard wouldn't box with floyd, or respect his power, but instead, look to corner him and tee off as he did his father. And, well, thats why I just don't see the fight going very well for Floyd.

Partially because of how I've seen him perform under those situations in the past (Oscar, Cotto...... dare I say Castillo?). However, I've seen SRL completely shut down and become very respectful when people have timed his jab, countered him, or tried to return the favor and use lateral movement excessively.

Leonard was taller, he wasnt that thick framed, infact he was wirey, I think floyd is smaller in height but more solid. The thing you compared with Floyd SR and JR, when Floyd goes into the guard if you watch, he will counter out with punches instead of just trying to roll. Hatton is an example, he was getting caught everytime he came in

SR and JR are the difference between day and nights, it's the subtle moves Floyd makes that puts you into openings.

Cotto and Oscar fights were at 154lbs with 10oz gloves, that's a big difference for a natural 140lber? also gives Cotto a huge advantage with the way he forms his defense the Castillo fight was hype, Mayweather won easily, as he did against Cotto aswell, Oscar fight was closer.

I can see Mayweather making an adjustment in the ring against Leonard and fighting something to shut him off, his jabs to the body are so underrated. Floyd loves aggressive fighters, and I think leonard would walk into punches all night long - not that he is that ******, I think Floyd would just figure him out.

[The Big Dunn]

Apparently not allowed to voice your opinion on this forum.

To paraphrase roger mayweather:

whoever thinks duran isn't an ATG don't know ***** about boxing

[Wiley Hyena]

To paraphrase roger mayweather:

whoever thinks duran isn't an ATG don't know ***** about boxing

Agreed. Floyd has no chance here. Duran was great.

[The Big Dunn]

Agreed. Floyd has no chance here. Duran was great.

Floyd has a great chance agaisnt duran IMO.

[Andyreww]

Agreed. Floyd has no chance here. Duran was great.

Rofl Floyd has no chance against Duran?!

[Wiley Hyena]

Rofl Floyd has no chance against Duran?!

Floyd has a chance if he can stay away for a win on points. But, Duran was very skillful dealing with those types of boxers. He knew all the tricks and could knock them out, and also create his own wins on points. No..odds are that Duran wins an easy one here. The analysis not hard. To favor Floyd against Duran, one must say with confidence he could beat Leonard. This I cannot do. When Duran beat Leonard, Leonard was considered unbeatable, already an ATG. Duran had all the tools to deal with Floyd.

[ATG Fighter]

Roberto Duran is a certified ATG. Anyone who thinks he isn't is a certified ******. Most people would have him somewhere in Top 10 ATG (or maybe just outside).

lol @ Duran was just a slugger. Duran is one the most skilled fighters, not just a slugger.

@threadstarter- Duran is a warrior GOD.

Floyd can't hold Duran's jockstrap

[Andyreww]

Roberto Duran is a certified ATG. Anyone who thinks he isn't is a certified ******. Most people would have him somewhere in Top 10 ATG (or maybe just outside).

lol @ Duran was just a slugger. Duran is one the most skilled fighters, not just a slugger.

@threadstarter- Duran is a warrior GOD.

Floyd can't hold Duran's jockstrap

So you think Duran was technically gifted?

[bojangles1987]

So you think Duran was technically gifted?

It's not an opinion. It's a fact.