Roberto Duran ATG? Give me a break..

[Poet682006]

They are probably slightly inaccurate here and there.

The fact that it's widely used without real questions about it's accuracy is evidence enough for me.

This is actually going to be my last post, because I can't be assed, Leonard is clearly levels above Mayweather...

In the words of roger "YO DONT KNOW **** ABOUT BOXING"

It's accuracy gets questioned ALL THE TIME. Hell, I've even heard HBO announcers question it from time to time and they're some of the most unquestioning shills out there.

Poet

[Andyreww]

Mayweather was destroyed by cotto. How on earth does he do anything better than Leonard?

Sorry, I didnt see this post so I had to make one last comment.

LMFAO. DESTROYED BY 7 JABS.

118-110 117-111 117-111 <----Don't believe the conspiracy it's all a fix. Cotto really won by 118-110 the scorecards were fiddled.

Rofl. If anyone actually wants to have an intelligent boxing debate pm me.

[intoccabile]

It's pretty grim, I guess you have to think he's amazing, or you can't be part of the forum.

And no, it wasn't a troll in the slightest, maybe my taste to "pure boxing" runs over to that, I don't enjoy his style and imo he wasnt an ATG, many agree, most disagree

It's fine.

So because he wasn't a "pure boxer" he isn't an ATG? Are you that dumb? Does his resume and his accomplishments mean nothing because he doesn't fit in your preferences?

[Future Trunks]

Someone ban this bum please?

[Poet682006]

If anyone actually wants to have an intelligent boxing debate pm me.

Let us know when your balls finally drop.

[Future Trunks]

So because he wasn't a "pure boxer" he isn't an ATG? Are you that dumb? Does his resume and his accomplishments mean nothing because he doesn't fit in your preferences?

Something a flo mo would say....

[Poet682006]

No wonder the mods deleted the original thread. Too ****** even by NSB's admittedly low standards.

Poet

[intoccabile]

Something a flo mo would say....

A *****? How? By recognizing a fighters ability regardless if he's a slicker fighter or a head first brawler? There are several styles in boxing and to say someone is not an ATG because they don't have a style you like is just ridiculous. He wasnt pretty, but he got things done that put him up there as an ATG. His accomplishments are great and the intangibles mean everything. is he forgetting he beat the same Leonard you gave praise to?

He also seems to not realize Duran was a counter puncher - 1 of the few men who could slip and roll with shots while moving forward as well.

[intoccabile]

So Floyd doesn't have better timing and reflexes than Leonard?

Leonard has a better jab and more power. probably SLIGHTLY faster.

Mayweather has better defense, leg movement, timing and reflexes.

Close fight.

Intangibles.. We can't say who's "timing" and reflexes are better. In all actuality, history would say that Leonads timing and reflexes were better. He's been able to touch and beat fights like Benitez, Hearns, etc, people on similar skill levels to Floyd.

Who has Floyd touched on that level that we can say he has better reflexes and timing? His stats went down tremendously against Cotto, who isn't the fighter Leonard is. He was touched pretty good against Judah early on, before taking absolute control around the same time everyone takes control against Zab. His stats looked good against Oscar, but the actual performance wasn't so pretty. The fact that SRL performed against men of that caliber, IMO, rules him the victor in that category as well when it comes to the attributes. Be realistic here.

But then there are also intangibles. Floyd is no dummy. He knows how to win. He picks his work up the very second he feels as though he's been touched too much or is being outworked. He did it with Corley, Cotto, Hernandez, Hernandez, Augustus, and Sosa.

People have always had this misconception of floyd, but if you watch his career (as I have), you'd know, he sits down and fights when he has to. He'd have to with Leonard. You seriously believe he wins those exchanges with Ray?

[Andyreww]

Intangibles.. We can't say who's "timing" and reflexes are better. In all actuality, history would say that Leonads timing and reflexes were better. He's been able to touch and beat fights like Benitez, Hearns, etc, people on similar skill levels to Floyd.

Who has Floyd touched on that level that we can say he has better reflexes and timing? His stats went down tremendously against Cotto, who isn't the fighter Leonard is. He was touched pretty good against Judah early on, before taking absolute control around the same time everyone takes control against Zab. His stats looked good against Oscar, but the actual performance wasn't so pretty. The fact that SRL performed against men of that caliber, IMO, rules him the victor in that category as well when it comes to the attributes. Be realistic here.

But then there are also intangibles. Floyd is no dummy. He knows how to win. He picks his work up the very second he feels as though he's been touched too much or is being outworked. He did it with Corley, Cotto, Hernandez, Hernandez, Augustus, and Sosa.

People have always had this misconception of floyd, but if you watch his career (as I have), you'd know, he sits down and fights when he has to. He'd have to with Leonard. You seriously believe he wins those exchanges with Ray?

Ok, Im commenting because you actually seem to know what you are talking about and not a total blind idiot.

I never said Floyd would win for 1, I said it is a close competitive fight.

We do have a benchmark we can look at Compubox 100% accurate or not. and see that floyd is miles ahead on his plus/minus rating.

You are right, Floyd has the grit to stand and fight when he has to, it's usually against taller, wide looping punches, not straight fast fighters, Leonard imo doesn't have the size of those other fighters you mentioned to put it on floyd and lean against him and hold him.

I think that Floyd work use his legs and counter-punching abilities and possibly try to go to the body and break him down, I think his defense is also superb.

But as you said leonard is a fast tricky fighter with more power than Floyd

I'd go with 115-113 Floyd if I had to, but i can see a very close fight.