1 thing i have noticed bout Cotto fans and appreciate

[Walt Liquor]

Floyd is going to retire with a bunch of recognizable names, and a ridonkulous YouTube video of him (mostly) dominating these guys. So will Pac.

We are hardcore boxing geeks who know boxers' wives names. But to the guy in the cubicle or at the barbecue grill, all he knows is that Floyd beat everybody up.

That guy wouldn't know Kostya Tszyu if he walked in the room.

this is a good post, and it drives me NUTSO!!!!

Being a hardcore boxing fan is not easy

[The Big Dunn]

Fighting Baldomir instead of Margarito was not easier?

Reed, yes it was but to look at it individually doesn't capture the true essence of what occurred. Floyd either stayed with TR and fought Margs and prob Cotto, or he pays 750k buyout and fights Baldomir which leads to an ODH fight.

[The Big Dunn]

probably more, cuz he would have beaten the real best fighter at ww at the time.

I shouldn't have even come in here.

Walt if he stays with TR and doesn't fight Margs no one would care either way because floyd wouldn't be where he is right now.

[THE REED]

Reed, yes it was but to look at it individually doesn't capture the true essence of what occurred. Floyd either stayed with TR and fought Margs and prob Cotto, or he pays 750k buyout and fights Baldomir which leads to an ODH fight.

See what Im saying...

That's what I was talking about with Gino.

I understand the business point, I understand Floyds moves, why he did them and I would of probably done the same.

But don't confuse that, with when we start talking about credit for wins and resume.

Right now Im talking about resume, and Floyds resume would of looked better with Margarito on it rather than Baldomir.

That cannot be disputed.

But, like I said, given the financial motivation I understand why he did what he did, and anybody else would of done the same.

[IMDAZED]

Reed, yes it was but to look at it individually doesn't capture the true essence of what occurred. Floyd either stayed with TR and fought Margs and prob Cotto, or he pays 750k buyout and fights Baldomir which leads to an ODH fight.

I think clearly that was the case. And that is a solid argument. I just hate it when people try to pretend as if Baldomir was as good as Margarito.

[Gino Ros]

Based on what Roger was saying, Floyd might be coming in on his A game... If Cotto goes down from shots he doesnt see like with Pacquiao, that may be the case here... the pull counter will be in full effect... and if he pressures with wide hooks that inside roll uppercut is going to land flush. Zab had him on Sesame street for a minute with the uppercut.

Unless Floyd comes in and LOOKS 35 1/2... I foresee a fight full of highlight reels.

I look at Cotto physically (dimension-wise) and I see a guy who is built kinda like Gatti and Hatton. Marquez even.

I then watch the Cotto/Mosley fight and I see a guy who has boxing skills "about even" as Shane Mosley. And Floyd showed that his boxing ability is WAY above Mosley.

I watch Miguel and I see a guy who is neither particularly quick nor fast. And the next "creative" punch Cotto throws will be the first.

Cotto is a very good fighter. He sucks at nothing.

But there is a VERY good chance that Miguel gets embarrassed by a more fluid athlete with greater technical skills and superior ring intelligence.


I expect/hope a reasonably competitive fight. But I will not be surprised at all by an embarrassing blowout.

[THE REED]

Cotto has good timing, and that in itself can render the fight competitive.

JMM caught Floyd a few times with good timing, he just didn't have any pop at that weight.

At 154lbs, if Cotto catches Floyd flush with a left hook, that can change things a bit.

But his timing better on the ****in money come Saturday, otherwise its a white wash.

[The Big Dunn]

See what Im saying...

That's what I was talking about with Gino.

I understand the business point, I understand Floyds moves, why he did them and I would of probably done the same.

But don't confuse that, with when we start talking about credit for wins and resume.

Right now Im talking about resume, and Floyds resume would of looked better with Margarito on it rather than Baldomir.

That cannot be disputed.

But, like I said, given the financial motivation I understand why he did what he did, and anybody else would of done the same.

Not necessarily because your argument assumes he fights the same people if he styas at TR. SO if you put Marg on it, does he necessarily fight ODH, JMM, Hatton and Mosley?

The only thing we know that would be different is there wouldn't be any ducking talk from TR.

[Gino Ros]

this is a good post, and it drives me NUTSO!!!!

Being a hardcore boxing fan is not easy

Tell me about it! I've been useless and unproductive all week.

I left work early to go home to watch fighters walking into a hotel.

What the hell is wrong with us?

[The Big Dunn]

I think clearly that was the case. And that is a solid argument. I just hate it when people try to pretend as if Baldomir was as good as Margarito.

The loss to daniel santos (154) didn't exactly make Margs a worldbeater. But Baldomir was a bum.