Two Of The Most Controversial Judges In Boxing Will Be Scoring Mayweather vs Cotto

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  • JK1700
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    Two Of The Most Controversial Judges In Boxing Will Be Scoring Mayweather vs Cotto

    Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Mayweather fan, maybe the biggest on here, I think he's quite possibly the greatest boxer that has ever lived, and I fully expect him to dominate and stop Miguel Cotto next Saturday and make the judges completely irrelevant by forcing a stoppage, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't somewhat concerned about this. The judges that I am referring to are Dave Moretti and Patricia Morse Jarman (who is quite possibly the worst judge in boxing right now). What worries me is that these two judges have shown to be very inept at scoring fights fairly in the past and both of them tend to just go for aggression above everything else, even if the aggression is completely ineffective (Like Manny Pacquiao was against Juan Manuel Marquez in their 3rd fight).

    Like I said before, I am fully expecting Floyd to dominate this fight and win easily, but with two judges who have the past records that these two have, I am concerned that something fishy might happen, and I think I speak for everyone out there when I say that considering everything he has done for the sport over the last 15 years, it would be a crying shame to see Money Mayweather get robbed of his undefeated record by two incompetant and/or corrupt individuals. With him being the sharp minded and incredibly intelligent individual that he is, i'm suprised that Floyd didn't object to these two people judging this fight.

    Here are just some of their adsurd past scorecards.

    Patricia Morse Jarman :

    Gabriel Campillo vs Beibut Shumenov
    - Jarman scored this fight 117-111 for Shumenov. I scored it 118-110 for Campillo and consider it to be the second worst decision that I have ever seen from all the fights I have watched.

    Oscar De La Hoya vs Fernando Vargas -
    After 10 rounds, Jarman had Vargas winning the fight 97-94 which means that of the first 10 rounds she gave Vargas 6 of them with one even, and only gave 3 to De La Hoya. I have watched this fight several times and cannot understand how anyone can give Vargas more than 4 rounds. De La Hoya clearly won more rounds.

    Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez - Jarman scored this fight 116-111 for Marquez which means she gave him 8 rounds. I had Barrera winning 7 rounds to 5 (114-113). I can understand someone having it even and therefore having Marquez winning by a point but to have him winning by five points is simply wrong and out of touch with reality.

    Shane Mosley vs Fernando Vargas 1 - I thought Vargas took an absolute tanking in this fight, which he clearly did, evidenced by the fact that his eye was completely ****ed up by the end, while Mosley hardly had a scratch on him, but Jarman actually had Vargas ahead at the time of the stoppage which is just wildly absurd and completely and utterly ridiculous. I think I had Vargas winning 3 rounds, I could see a 4th if you wanted me to be generous, but she had him winning five. There's no logical explanation that can be made for that.

    Zab Judah vs Rafael Pineda - Jarman had Judah winning this fight by 3 points. I had him losing by 3 points. A couple of the rounds were close, but after round 4 Pineda pretty much controlled the rest of the fight and should have gotten the decision in my eyes. Her scorecard in this fight wasn't outstandingly bad but it was still a controversial verdict to give.

    Dave Moretti :

    Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez 3 : 80% of the people you see say that Pacquaio lost this fight and many of them call it a robbery. I personally only gave Manny 3 out of the 12 rounds and thought that I was being generous with one of them. I don't see how you anyone can give him more than 4. Moretti managed to find a way to give him 7.

    Felix Sturm vs Oscar De La Hoya - Sturm completely dominated this fight. I gave De La Hoya 3 rounds and thought that I was being generous. I have seen fights where the loser did a lot better than De La Hoya did in this fight, but got completely shut out on the scorecards (Nonito Donaire vs Omar Narvaez is an example). Moretti had De La Hoya winning 115-113.

    Kelly Pavlik vs Jermain Taylor 2 - I thought that this was a very close fight and actually had Taylor winning it before he faded down the stretch and allowed Pavlik to take the last 2 or 3 rounds. I scored it 115-113 and I wouldn't have been offended if it had been ruled a draw. Moretti gave Pavlik 9 out of the 12 rounds which is once again, out of touch with reality.

    Jose Luis Castillo vs Joel Casamayor - This was a very close and even fight. Casamayor dominated the early rounds and Castillo dominated the late rounds. Moretti scored it 117-111 for Castillo. I had it a draw.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Zab Judah - Yes Judah gave Floyd some trouble in the early rounds but giving someone trouble and actually winning rounds against them are two different things. I had Mayweather winning 11 out of the 12 rounds. Moretti somehow gave Judah 4. How? I don't know.

    I'm curious to know what people think about this. In the end I don't think it is going to matter because I think that Floyd is so great that he is going to make sure that the outcome doesn't end up being decided in the judges hands. However I still think that it's a damn shame that two people who have proven themselves to be inept and/or crooked on many occassions are getting the chance to control a bout of this magnitude, but they are. I guess all we can do is keep our fingers crossed that there will be no controversy or injustice.
    Last edited by JK1700; 04-29-2012, 02:29 AM.
  • prtyboybladeage
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    I completely agree with you on all of them (especially Barrera-Marquez, I was pissed when Barrera lost) except the Mayweather-Judah, I had Judah winning 3 of the first 5 rounds. Sure it was only 2 more than you gave him, but still. Floyd didn't really adjust and do much until around the 5th round.

    I didn't even remember the Mosley-Vargas 1 scoring, that is ****ing ridiculous to have Vargas winning.

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    • Hougigo
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      #3
      You're not the biggest, I remember SugarSean made a post about how Mayweather didn't beat his girlfriend but actually he held her down while she was high on acid or something.Then he said, what a Hero to his kids.

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      • turkas
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        #4
        Originally posted by JK1700

        Dave Moretti :

        Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez 3 : 80% of the people you see say that Pacquaio lost this fight and many of them call it a robbery. I personally only gave Manny 3 out of the 12 rounds and thought that I was being generous with one of them. I don't see how you anyone can give him more than 4. Moretti managed to find a way to give him 7.

        Felix Sturm vs Oscar De La Hoya - Sturm completely dominated this fight. I gave De La Hoya 3 rounds and thought that I was being generous. I have seen fights where the loser did a lot better than De La Hoya did in this fight, but got completely shut out on the scorecards (Nonito Donaire vs Omar Narvaez is an example). Moretti had De La Hoya winning 115-113.

        Kelly Pavlik vs Jermain Taylor 2 - I thought that this was a very close fight and actually had Taylor winning it before he faded down the stretch and allowed Pavlik to take the last 2 or 3 rounds. I scored it 115-113 and I wouldn't have been offended if it had been ruled a draw. Moretti gave Pavlik 9 out of the 12 rounds which is once again, out of touch with reality.

        Jose Luis Castillo vs Joel Casamayor - This was a very close and even fight. Casamayor dominated the early rounds and Castillo dominated the late rounds. Moretti scored it 117-111 for Castillo. I had it a draw.

        Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Zab Judah - Yes Judah gave Floyd some trouble in the early rounds but giving someone trouble and actually winning rounds against them are two different things. I had Mayweather winning 11 out of the 12 rounds. Moretti somehow gave Judah 4. How? I don't know.

        I'm curious to know what people think about this. In the end I don't think it is going to matter because I think that Floyd is so great that he is going to make sure that the outcome doesn't end up being decided in the judges hands. However I still think that it's a damn shame that two people who have proven themselves to be inept and/or crooked on many occassions are getting the chance to control a bout of this magnitude, but they are. I guess all we can do is keep our fingers crossed that there will be no controversy or injustice.
        I think Moretti is one of the best and most reliable judges in the world.

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        • prtyboybladeage
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          #5
          Originally posted by JK1700

          Like I said before
          such a big fan that you even say "like i said before" just like Floyd lol. good ****.

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          • JK1700
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            #6
            Originally posted by prtyboybladeage
            I completely agree with you on all of them (especially Barrera-Marquez, I was pissed when Barrera lost) except the Mayweather-Judah, I had Judah winning 3 of the first 5 rounds. Sure it was only 2 more than you gave him, but still. Floyd didn't really adjust and do much until around the 5th round.

            I didn't even remember the Mosley-Vargas 1 scoring, that is ****ing ridiculous to have Vargas winning.
            Once Floyd adjusted to Judah, he was dominating him, and your right, that didn't happen until around the 5th round. However, I still felt that Floyd won most of the early rounds even though Judah was making it interesting. Mayweather was still landing the harder, cleaner punches and pushing him back, hurting him more.

            In my opinion, the worst scorecard that either of them has given was in the Campillo-Shumenov 2 fight. More people need to watch that fight. Like Richard Abril against Brandon Rios, Campillo easily could have won that fight 12 rounds to nothing. Yet he somehow lost a split decision and Jarman had him winning 9 of the 12 rounds. I gave him 2, another guy that I know only gave him a single 1.

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            • prtyboybladeage
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              Well now I'm worried that IF it goes to the scorecards (which I seriously doubt) there could be some bull**** controversial decision.

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              • ChiTown2Diego
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                #8
                Why these judges are still allowed to work especially in the big fights,... But c'mon now they're not going to rob Floyd. Cotto on the other hand being the lesser draw could potentially get robbed like Marquez did if it got to that, however Cotto has almost as much chance as I do on beating Floyd (even w bs scoring). I'll be cheering for my boy Cotto but this fight will not go the distance. Cotto will take his third TKO

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                • Leohappy
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by prtyboybladeage
                  Well now I'm worried that IF it goes to the scorecards (which I seriously doubt) there could be some bull**** controversial decision.
                  with those judges things like sd and md can indeed happen. however i fully expect floyd to dominate, and leave no doubt who's the better boxer.

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                  • Discipline
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                    #10
                    Didn't someone make a thread the other day about Dave Moretti's brother being employed by Top Rank?

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