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  • raskat
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    Roy Jones' Legacy: He beat those 18 World Champions....

    I know a lot of People say Roy Jones is one of the greatest fighters ever and his resumé is unbelievable cause he beat 18 World Champions.
    Let's see who these 18 World Champs are:
    1. Bernard Hopkins
    was not a prime Hopkins, it was a close fight, but hey, good win for Roy
    2. Thulani Malinga
    Good fighter
    3. James Toney
    good win for Roy again
    4. Vinny Pazienza
    total joke win cause Pazienza was waaaay above his natural fighting weight. He fought Roy Jones at 168 when in truth Pazienza was a natural lightweight (135 pounds).
    5. Eric Lucas
    Lucas is a decent fighter, not more and not less. Period
    6. Mike McCallum
    Hall of Famer, but McCallum was 40 years old and therefore not in his prime. So that win doesn't count really. Does it?
    7. Montell Griffin
    Griffin is a good fighter and he gave Roy all sorts of trouble in the first fight, some say Griffin was ahead on the scorecards when Roy suckerpunched him twice when Griffin was taking a knee. Roy loses by Disqualification, Roy wins the rematch by KO
    8. Virgil Hill
    Good fighter, but was also at the end of his career and got beaten by Michalczewski right before the Roy Jones fight.
    9. Lou Del Valle
    tough, but average fighter. Was Roy's sparring partner. Won one bogus belt against a no-name fighter and lost it in his next fight.
    10. Otis Grant
    you never heard of him? He won a belt against Ryan Rhodes, defended it once against another guy you have never heard of, and then lost the belt to Roy Jones.
    11. Reggie Johnson
    that is actually a good name on Roy's resume.
    12. Richard Hall
    Lost all his title fights except one bogus interim belt-fight against a no-name fighter. Both Hall and Roy Jones tested positive for some steroid after their fight.
    13. Julio Cesar Gonzalez (may he rest in Peace)
    he won only one title fight against Michalczewski in a close fight when Michalczewski was at the end of his career. He lost all his other title fights (Clinton Woods twice, Zsolt Erdei, Roy Jones)
    14. Clinton Woods
    You guys know Clinton Woods. Tough, decent fighter. No special effects.
    15. John Ruiz
    Very tough, very boring, clinches in all his fights 90% of the time. Ruiz got tons of undeserved title shots and no disrespect to him, but bottom line is he is one of the worst Heavyweight Champs in the history of boxing. if Roy really wanted to beat the man at Heavyweight, he would have fought Lennox Lewis.
    16. Antonio Tarver
    Some pple say Tarver beat Roy Jones 3 times, so basically Tarver shouldn't be on this list. Should he?
    17. Felix Trinidad
    you kidding me? Tito was absolutely past his prime. Winky Wright had retired Tito before. Roy was also shot, but Tito was not only shot but fought him at lightheavyweight (or a catchweight of 170 pounds). You guys do know Tito was a natural welterweight, right? So what does this win mean? It wasnt even a title fight by the way.
    18. Jeff Lacy
    No disrespect to him either, but he was totally done after the Calzaghe fight. Calzaghe dished out a career-ending beating and for some reason the ref and the cornermen let the fight continue. So a shot Roy Jones playing around with a even more shot Jeff Lacy in a non title fight.

    so those are the 18 World Champs which Roy Jones beat.
    Not that impressive when you really look at all those names cause most of those guys only won maybe one title fight and won some interim paper title at one point of their career which they lost in the next fight.
    I don't dislike Roy Jones, I just dislike the people who don't care about the truth. Roy Jones was a very good boxer, but what I will remember him for is ducking Michalczewski and guys like Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins and Frankie Liles. And no, its not a myth that Roy Jones was fighting tons of cabdrivers and he did fight firemen, policemen and teachers during his career. (some even in world title fights)
  • V.WEBB
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    #2
    inb4 reed and IMDAZED dissect your opening post....

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    • SpeedKillz
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      #3
      you can nitpick and downplay any and all fighters, so where are you going with this? are you saying roy jones isnt one of the greatest ever, or that he is overrated or what?

      I dont get these threads downplaying fighters achievements or "breaking down" their resumes and showing they really arent that good. what is the point of this please tell me...

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      • raskat
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        #4
        Originally posted by SpeedKillz
        you can nitpick and downplay any and all fighters, so where are you going with this? are you saying roy jones isnt one of the greatest ever, or that he is overrated or what?

        I dont get these threads downplaying fighters achievements or "breaking down" their resumes and showing they really arent that good. what is the point of this please tell me...
        I have nothing against Roy Jones. But what I do know is that there are tons of Roy Jones fans out there who say he would beat any other fighter in the history of boxing. And that is where I have a problem: because how can you say Roy would beat the best fighters of other eras, when he didnt even fight the best fighters of HIS OWN era?

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        • IMDAZED
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          #5
          You could do this to anyone's resume. But I can't argue with a person who goes back and calculates the exact percentage of clinches in the average Ruiz fight.

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          • 110110110
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            #6
            Originally posted by raskat
            I know a lot of People say Roy Jones is one of the greatest fighters ever and his resumé is unbelievable cause he beat 18 World Champions.
            Let's see who these 18 World Champs are:
            1. Bernard Hopkins
            was not a prime Hopkins, it was a close fight, but hey, good win for Roy
            2. Thulani Malinga
            Good fighter
            3. James Toney
            good win for Roy again
            4. Vinny Pazienza
            total joke win cause Pazienza was waaaay above his natural fighting weight. He fought Roy Jones at 168 when in truth Pazienza was a natural lightweight (135 pounds).
            5. Eric Lucas
            Lucas is a decent fighter, not more and not less. Period
            6. Mike McCallum
            Hall of Famer, but McCallum was 40 years old and therefore not in his prime. So that win doesn't count really. Does it?
            7. Montell Griffin
            Griffin is a good fighter and he gave Roy all sorts of trouble in the first fight, some say Griffin was ahead on the scorecards when Roy suckerpunched him twice when Griffin was taking a knee. Roy loses by Disqualification, Roy wins the rematch by KO
            8. Virgil Hill
            Good fighter, but was also at the end of his career and got beaten by Michalczewski right before the Roy Jones fight.
            9. Lou Del Valle
            tough, but average fighter. Was Roy's sparring partner. Won one bogus belt against a no-name fighter and lost it in his next fight.
            10. Otis Grant
            you never heard of him? He won a belt against Ryan Rhodes, defended it once against another guy you have never heard of, and then lost the belt to Roy Jones.
            11. Reggie Johnson
            that is actually a good name on Roy's resume.
            12. Richard Hall
            Lost all his title fights except one bogus interim belt-fight against a no-name fighter. Both Hall and Roy Jones tested positive for some steroid after their fight.
            13. Julio Cesar Gonzalez (may he rest in Peace)
            he won only one title fight against Michalczewski in a close fight when Michalczewski was at the end of his career. He lost all his other title fights (Clinton Woods twice, Zsolt Erdei, Roy Jones)
            14. Clinton Woods
            You guys know Clinton Woods. Tough, decent fighter. No special effects.
            15. John Ruiz
            Very tough, very boring, clinches in all his fights 90% of the time. Ruiz got tons of undeserved title shots and no disrespect to him, but bottom line is he is one of the worst Heavyweight Champs in the history of boxing. if Roy really wanted to beat the man at Heavyweight, he would have fought Lennox Lewis.
            16. Antonio Tarver
            Some pple say Tarver beat Roy Jones 3 times, so basically Tarver shouldn't be on this list. Should he?
            17. Felix Trinidad
            you kidding me? Tito was absolutely past his prime. Winky Wright had retired Tito before. Roy was also shot, but Tito was not only shot but fought him at lightheavyweight (or a catchweight of 170 pounds). You guys do know Tito was a natural welterweight, right? So what does this win mean? It wasnt even a title fight by the way.
            18. Jeff Lacy
            No disrespect to him either, but he was totally done after the Calzaghe fight. Calzaghe dished out a career-ending beating and for some reason the ref and the cornermen let the fight continue. So a shot Roy Jones playing around with a even more shot Jeff Lacy in a non title fight.

            so those are the 18 World Champs which Roy Jones beat.
            Not that impressive when you really look at all those names cause most of those guys only won maybe one title fight and won some interim paper title at one point of their career which they lost in the next fight.
            I don't dislike Roy Jones, I just dislike the people who don't care about the truth. Roy Jones was a very good boxer, but what I will remember him for is ducking Michalczewski and guys like Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins and Frankie Liles. And no, its not a myth that Roy Jones was fighting tons of cabdrivers and he did fight firemen, policemen and teachers during his career. (some even in world title fights)
            There are literally so many flaws in you analyses that I would have to use the rest of my day correcting it

            I give up

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            • Cloud
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              #7
              I choose to look past the resume and focus on his in ring ability.

              For that reason alone, I rank him as an ATG and Hall of Famer.

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              • raskat
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                #8
                Originally posted by 110110110
                There are literally so many flaws in you analyses that I would have to use the rest of my day correcting it

                I give up

                sure buddy

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                • 4Corners
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                  #9
                  Roy cleaned out LHW.

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                  • SpeedKillz
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cloud
                    I choose to look past the resume and focus on his in ring ability.

                    For that reason alone, I rank him as an ATG and Hall of Famer.

                    well, at least one person gets it...

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