Will Floyd ever reach his full potential or will that zero hold him back?

[DeadLikeMe]

The fact that hugh grant has been a member here for 5 years and still seemingly knows nothing about boxing is troubling. The idea of him talking boxing to people unfamiliar with the sport is downright frightening.

[hugh grant]

Pac isn't expected to beat Floyd. Sorry, hardly anyone thinks that man.

And that's like me saying "Well Pac can't handle an older JMM at 144, and can't beat a good counter puncher to save his momma's life", so Floyd should automatically be the favorite........that'd be an ignorant statement going off common opponents.

Floyd is the favorite to beat Manny, so using your logic that you posted before, he shouldn't fight him.

Floyd is going to be favorite against anyone from 140-154, that's just how it is.

It comes down to being objective, and you can't do that, never have and never will.

Again, Floyd against Pac, Floyd will be fighting the best fighter in the world, so leave it at that. Theres nothing wrong with Floyd fighting the best fighter in the world or people expected to beat him
Is Floyd trying to protect the zero and thats why he wont fight the best fighter in the world or Sergio at 160? The benefits outweigh the risks.
If hes scared to fight sergio at 160 or 154, fight Pac then.

[CHOWWOKKA]

So Floyd is the best fighter on the planet and he isn't at 100?

[4Corners]

Again, Floyd against Pac, Floyd will be fighting the best fighter in the world, so leave it at that. Theres nothing wrong with Floyd fighting the best fighter in the world or people expected to beat him

I never said he and Pac shouldn't fight, I was just saying that going by your logic, that's the conclusion.

You need to learn to be objective. The bottom line is that you trash Floyd for something, but when guys you like do the same or similar thing, you turn a blind eye to it.

And if you say your don't, you're either delusional, a pathological liar, or just unwilling to admit it.

And if Floyd fought Sergio at 154-160 and beat him, it'd be a great accomplishment, I hope he does.

What were your thoughts on Pac-Margarito, Pac-Clottey, and Pac-Marquez III going into the fights????? Just curious to see your thoughts on those fights prior to them happening.

I've never seen a guy have a resume of Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Goyo Vargas, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Victoriano Sosa, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, and most likely Miguel Cotto as well, and get no credit from loads of people.

[PrinceCharlez]

Floyd could move up to a weight and fight someone like Sergio at 160 or Ward even who hes not suppposed to beat, and if he loses it wont harm him as hes supposed to lose. But does the zero mean so much to him, he dont want to lose under any circumstances?

If the later, it means there are people he could potentially beat, but he wont risk it as it might mean he loses the zero. He could beat Sergio at 160 and Ward for all we know. If he dont try he wont be reaching his fullest potential.

Will Floyd ever reach his full potential??? What fighter TODAY is beyond floyd's potential to reach?

People act like Floyd has fought 42 opponents whom no one else has ever fought, whom no one knows, whom never was champ etc....how can he land these big money fights fighting nobody???? i dont understand the logic...

[hugh grant]

I never said he and Pac shouldn't fight, I was just saying that going by your logic, that's the conclusion.

You need to learn to be objective. The bottom line is that you trash Floyd for something, but when guys you like do the same or similar thing, you turn a blind eye to it.

And if Floyd fought Sergio at 154-160 and beat him, it'd be a great accomplishment, I hope he does.

What were your thoughts on Pac-Margarito, Pac-Clottey, and Pac-Marquez III going into the fights?????

My logic is flexible. Im talking about whether Floyds zero is holding him back from certain challenges that will enhance his legacy that is all. Is that zero stopping him from taking fights that he should take. Hes not the FOTD so hasnt he got something to prove?

I cant pick on Pac, as not too long ago he was underdog against DLH so that was a big fight and on the basis of that fight he has been favourite against everyone. Pac beating the Cottos of this world are the icing on the cake as these are names Floyd ducked and Floyd probably hasnt fought anyone as good as Cotto.
So dont have a go at Pac now just cos he was the favourite. People are playing catch up with pac anyway, so he can do as he pleases for now.

[4Corners]

My logic is flexible. Im talking about whether Floyds zero is holding him back from certain challenges that will enhance his legacy that is all. Is that zero stopping him from taking fights that he should take. Hes not the FOTD so hasnt he got something to prove?

I cant pick on Pac, as not too long ago he was underdog against DLH so that was a big fight and on the basis of that fight he has been favourite against everyone. Pac beating the Cottos of this world are the icing on the cake as these are names Floyd ducked and Floyd probably hasnt fought anyone as good as Cotto.
So dont have a go at Pac now just cos he was the favourite. People are playing catch up with pac anyway, so he can do as he pleases for now.

You honestly thought Oscar, at a weight he hadn't been down to in 7-8 years, was a good win or that he was going to beat Manny??? But yet you say Floyd beating Oscar at 154 was crap.....my god.

So than Floyd beating Cotto at 154 for his title now is just icing on the cake right???? Cotto in 2009 and Cotto right now are the same guys, only he's at 154 instead of 147 now. Manny gets more props for beating Cotto, because he did it first. But Floyd still gets his props for beating Cotto at 154. Same way Pac got props for beating Hatton.

So what about Floyd whupping Mosley when Manny didn't want to fight him at any weight higher than 142, or do you not remember this????

Be objective, your last post proves you're not. You're still the same clown that said Pac is arguably the GOAT, and that no one considers Sugar Ray Leonard the GOAT......that quote defines why people shouldn't read too far into anything you say.

What did you think of Pac-Margarito, Pac-Mosley, and Pac-Marquez III going into those fights???????????

[hugh grant]

You honestly thought Oscar, at a weight he hadn't been down to in 7-8 years, was a good win or that he was going to beat Manny??? But yet you say Floyd beating Oscar at 154 was crap.....my god.

So than Floyd beating Cotto at 154 for his title now is just icing on the cake right????

Be objective, your last post proves you're not. You're still the same clown that said Pac is arguably the GOAT, and that no one considers Sugar Ray Leonard the GOAT......that quote defines why people shouldn't read too far into anything you say.

What did you think of Pac-Margarito, Pac-Mosley, and Pac-Marquez III going into those fights???????????

4corners you should just leave it now your not making any sense. Pac beating DLH was a risk as he was underdog. He was stepping up 2 dvisions and yes DLH stepped down one division but how is anyone to know how DLH is going to perform, he could have dont outstandingly for anyone knew. He was favourite. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isnt it and we can all make excuses now for DLHs poor showing we are all experts.

Floyd beating Cotto is no icing on any cakes as Floyd should have fought Cotto before Pac damaged him. Floyd didnt damage DLH thats for sure, id say BH did it for Floyd.

I had no problem with Pac facing Margarito, SSM. I didnt expect those fights to make Pacs legacy further. He sure wasnt scared to face them to protect a zero though. I dont expect Pac to face Sergio as Pac is FOTD and has a greater resume than anyone already, so Pac can take a breather for a while. Margartio and SSM were dangerous fights still, although i consider them a breather for Pac.

[AlwaysOnTop]

You honestly thought Oscar, at a weight he hadn't been down to in 7-8 years, was a good win or that he was going to beat Manny??? But yet you say Floyd beating Oscar at 154 was crap.....my god.

So than Floyd beating Cotto at 154 for his title now is just icing on the cake right???? Cotto in 2009 and Cotto right now are the same guys, only he's at 154 instead of 147 now. Manny gets more props for beating Cotto, because he did it first. But Floyd still gets his props for beating Cotto at 154. Same way Pac got props for beating Hatton.

So what about Floyd whupping Mosley when Manny didn't want to fight him at any weight higher than 142, or do you not remember this????

Be objective, your last post proves you're not. You're still the same clown that said Pac is arguably the GOAT, and that no one considers Sugar Ray Leonard the GOAT......that quote defines why people shouldn't read too far into anything you say.

What did you think of Pac-Margarito, Pac-Mosley, and Pac-Marquez III going into those fights???????????

You're stomping Hugh Grant's as.s like crazy..

I'm starting the think he likes it.

[turbotime]

4corners you should just leave it now your not making any sense. Pac beating DLH was a risk as he was underdog. He was stepping up 2 dvisions and yes DLH stepped down one division but how is anyone to know how DLH is going to perform, he could have dont outstandingly for anyone knew. He was favourite. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isnt it and we can all make excuses now for DLHs poor showing we are all experts.

Floyd beating Cotto is no icing on any cakes as Floyd should have fought Cotto before Pac damaged him. Floyd didnt damage DLH thats for sure, id say BH did it for Floyd.

Oh jesus Pac was only a 2-1 underdog against Oscar and Pac's own trainer admitted Oscar was shot before the fight