With Jr. fighting Lee, should Sergio fight Vanes?

[mathed]

I don't. But I'll hear you out.

Why do you think that?

Vanes has struggled against weak comp and been dropped. Sergio is beating undefeated guys who have never been down in their careers and guys that have beaten champions but gotten robbed.

I say Dzinziruk beats Vanes, they are both 154 guys, make it happen. Both Macklin and Barker stop Vanes, fairly easily imo.

Vanes is slick but he has little pop and bad balance, plus I think he gets carried by the judges who seem to give him points when I don't see much going on at times.

[BoxingGenius27]

It's a fight that would make Martinez more money than a Vanes fight. I really don't think at age 37 or 38, Martinez is out to prove himself to anybody. I personally don't care either I just want to be entertained, and you can't tell me that Martinez/Margarito wouldn't be entertaining, if only because one guy would get a beat down.

How can you say you want to be entertained, but are worried about a fighter's pay?

Personally, I don't give a damn how much they get paid, I want to see the best available fights that are competitive. Not ones that I know who the winner will be, but want to see a beat down. That's a waste of time.

Yes, Martinez is up in age, but that's more reason for him to fight someone competitive. Who knows when his prime will be over. Why waste his last few best years on washed up Margarito?

Lastly, if I'm a fan of boxing, I'm asking "what are the best fights", not what fights make Fighter A the most money. Unless I'm getting a percentage of Martinez's purse, I don't give a dogon how much money he makes.

[BoxingGenius27]

Vanes has struggled against weak comp and been dropped. Sergio is beating undefeated guys who have never been down in their careers and guys that have beaten champions but gotten robbed.

I say Dzinziruk beats Vanes, they are both 154 guys, make it happen. Both Macklin and Barker stop Vanes, fairly easily imo.

Vanes is slick but he has little pop and bad balance, plus I think he gets carried by the judges who seem to give him points when I don't see much going on at times.

But what has Barker done?

What about Macklin's weak defense?

At least with Vanes, you have suspense. Sure Sergio will be the favorite, but we've been waiting on Vanes to step up for awhile now.

Or should Sergio just fight the #11 ranked middleweight or something?

Like Phantom said, we won't get the fights we want for Sergio so why not Vanes?

I'm not saying Vanes vs Sergio is my first choice, but if it came on the TV, I wouldn't be upset with it like I am the handling of Rios' career.

If you want to gripe at opponents, Rios is the one to do it against. Not Vanes vs Sergio.

[Roman Moreno]

But you have to look at what type of fighter Macklin is. He's a face first type of guy who's been in a few wars.

But I agree, Vanes isn't really proven.

But that's the reason I want the fight. Because he's a loud mouth, undefeated fighter, who hasn't really fought anyone; now's the time to do it. Then you throw "Roach's potential gameplan" in the mix and you have an interesting fight.

I think the lead up to the fight will be much better than Barker/Macklin.

No one never even heard of Barker before the fight. Yes Macklin beat Sturm, but he's been in battles and is known for his lack of defense. No one really thought Macklin would win anyway.

With Vanes, you have someone that has been a "prospect" for a few years now. Well, here's his chance to live up to the hype.

That's why I say, "why not"?

There is no hype to Vanes though really. No one really takes this man serious.

And, there should always be stepping stones. You can't go from getting a gift decision against a shot to pieces Ouma and go life and death with Saul Roman to Martinez. That is a humongous ass gap.

Beating Vanes doesn't do more for Martinez than those 2. If at all what it does is less. Since he can be criticize for fighting 3 pretty whack ass fights in a row.

[Russian Crushin]

Why not?

Should he keep fighting the Macklin's and Barkers?

I think he should at least fight in the Macklin and Barker level and not go down to the Vanes level

[BoxingGenius27]

There is no hype to Vanes though really. No one really takes this man serious.

And, there should always be stepping stones. You can't go from getting a gift decision against a shot to pieces Ouma and go life and death with Saul Roman to Martinez. That is a humongous ass gap.

Beating Vanes doesn't do more for Martinez than those 2. If at all what it does is less. Since he can be criticize for fighting 3 pretty whack ass fights in a row.

Didn't Vanes beat Greene who was a prospect?

I'm not saying he wins, but I think he gets some respect for fighting Vanes.

Kind of like I think that whoever beats Canelo will have that same argument of "who has Canelo beaten".

I put Vanes and Canelo in the same boat actually. Both have a name with nothing proven to give them the name.

[BoxingGenius27]

I think he should at least fight in the Macklin and Barker level and not go down to the Vanes level

Barker's more proven than Vanes??

Since when and who has barker beaten that's better than Joe Greene?

[Devils Advocate]

Maybe he's on the level of Barker since he hasn't fought no one either. But, deffinetly a level below Macklin. At least Macklin is somewhat proven.

What is Vanes? Macklin goes life and death with Sturm...Vanes goes life and death with Saul Roman. Vanes needs a gift decision it could be considered a robbery in order to get the W over a shot to pieces Kassim Ouma. What has he done? And, he has had opportunities to prove his worth. But, he goes and turns it down like the Angulo fight.

Exactly, I could not have said it better!!! Vanes had his opportunity. Martinez should fight someone before Chavez b/c more than likely that Chavez/Lee winner will not be fighting Martinez until October at the earliest and lets not pretend Martinez is making 3-4 million a fight so he could definitely use another payday if he's gonna risk sitting out until the end of the year. A good fight for Martinez would be Molina or Anthony Mundine type. I would say Lara but that may make for a boring fight.

[Roman Moreno]

Didn't Vanes beat Greene who was a prospect?

I'm not saying he wins, but I think he gets some respect for fighting Vanes.

Kind of like I think that whoever beats Canelo will have that same argument of "who has Canelo beaten".

I put Vanes and Canelo in the same boat actually. Both have a name with nothing proven to give them the name.

Canelo win over Rhodes is better than anything Vanes has done though.

Canelo didn't need to rob a shot to pieces fighter like Ouma to get a W.

Canelo didn't need to go life and death against like a Saul Roman.

Vanes should fight a Canelo, that would be a step up. To get a shot at a Martinez.

[BoxingGenius27]

Canelo win over Rhodes is better than anything Vanes has done though.

Canelo didn't need to rob a shot to pieces fighter like Ouma to get a W.

Canelo didn't need to go life and death against like a Saul Roman.

Vanes should fight a Canelo, that would be a step up. To get a shot at a Martinez.

I agree with the bold.

I'm just saying, if a Vanes-Martinez fight is made, I wouldn't turn off the TV.