What is an All-Time Great Fighter to You?

[turbotime]

No Not even close, IMO.

Ok, just wondering. That's where I get caught up soometimes between fighters at their weights between ranking fighters on an entire scale vs others at their best weights.

[bojangles1987]

overrated term. it takes years to understand the impact of the statement. you see people who have no idea what it implies throwing it around.


for discussion purposes i consider the top 100 boxers of all time the ATG's


also the top 10 all time in a weight class i'll call the ATG. much more loose with that distinction.

That's a pretty good way to define who should be called an ATG, fighters who were good enough and accomplished enough that you should always remember them.

[Casual_Fan]

overrated term. it's overused. it takes years to understand the impact of the statement. you see people who have no idea what it implies throwing it around.


for discussion purposes i consider the top 100 boxers of all time the ATG's


also the top 10 all time in a weight class i'll call the ATG. much more loose with that distinction.

Never thought it this way. It makes some sense.

[IronDanHamza]

Ok, just wondering. That's where I get caught up soometimes between fighters at their weights between ranking fighters on an entire scale vs otherstheir best weights.

He may have some what of an argument to be an ATG Featherweight. But, I don't think so.

But in terms of being an ATG in general? No way, IMO.

I think he's a boarderline HOF'er let alone an ATG.

[Ray*]

That term is Used easily these days, But people only watch boxing from 1999 so they think everyone that gets involve in one or two great close fight is now a ATG!!!

[DJR005]

Id say that in order to be an all time great a few things have to happen.
1) You must take on all challengers.
2) Never duck or dodge anyone when it comes to defending your title
3) Must beat other Superstars of your era
4) Unless your a heavyweight id say that you should try to conquer as many divisions as you physically can.

Having said this, I can think of an Era full of all time greats : the 1980's and the four horsemen. Duran/Leonard/Hagler/Hearns.

Those 4 fought tooth and nail within for a decade from 135-160

[SCtrojansbaby]

Ran into some trolls last night that were dis*****g a lot of fighter's greatness. So it got me thinking what the true meaning of an ATG fighter is. Some go by listing OVERALL through all weights compared to all fighters on a list.

Some like to view it at the weight class(es) where they achieved, in comparisonto others of the same weight.

Some don't really bother with trying to figure it out at all (but I'm a boxing nerd so I do )

50% based on how good your top 3-5 wins are
50% based on consistency/longevity

[gauze]

someone who took on all comers and made good entertaining fights and showing great skills while doing it. someone that you could take the best fighters from each division, put them head to head with the others, and favor them to win a majority of those fights.

i think some fighters benefit from the folklore of the old days where there isn't much film and you mostly have to go by newspaper articles and hear-say. for me it's hard to compare resumes and accomplishments with fighters pre-1960s and fighters 60s-current. and personally, i favor modern fighters over the old school guys. i'll give an example. when i see footage of a guy like henry armstrong, i can't possibly favor him head to head against guys like pernell whitaker, julio cesar chavez, or aaron pryor. even guys like shane mosley and vernon forrest. would i consider forrest an ATG? hell no. one of my favorite fighters but not an ATG and not even a sure bet at HOF. but i would favor him over armstrong head to head.

it's a very subjective topic (much like the p4p debates) and theres no wrong answers WITHIN REASON. i have no problem with people saying erik morales is or isn't an all-time great. different people like different things and have their own criteria on what they consider to be the cream of the crop.

i dont have a top 100/ATG list as i don't feel comfortable speaking on stuff i wasnt there to witness myself and there is a TON of boxing history that we can only read about or hear about from the people who were there.

credit should be given where it's due but i don't feel comfortable comparing someone like roy jones jr to harry greb.

[MikeTryson]

word, heart, true skill, success and consistency, that's why in my eyes a fighter like tyson can't be considered an ATG. top 10 in each weight class seems about right.