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[Dirk Diggler UK]

Your view is tinged by your bias. Cotto was always a threat, you can't say he just became one in 2008, so/because Floyd retired, like you're trying to imply.

Im saying the fight was the best fight in boxing to be made in 2008, not 2005. You cant disprove that so you call me bias....

And yes you can become a bigger threat with the more fights and experience you gain. I.e Canelo may become a threat in a few years. Is he now? Not really.

Who was Cotto even fighting in 05? I seem to remember him doing the stanky leg against Chop Chop around that time. He was in no real position to fight Floyd then.

[bMak]

By the same token, Floyd Mayweather didn't and doesn't want to do business with Bob Arum. It works both ways. I dont understand how people can be so one-eyed on the matter.

Why is that? Is it because he just doesn't want to, or could it be in response to Bob not wanting to do business and waging a PR campaign against him- one that people like you bought into.

If memory serves, Team Floyd was willing to come to the table to negotiate a Pacquiao fight, which Bob eventually walked away from.

[Roman Moreno]

I don't know when or if ever Cotto was a threat to Floyd.

But, after Mosley he became elite, he was a guy that you always look at but the after the Mosley fight he was considered somewhat the truth where you couldn't deny that he wasn't elite. I don't think he was an elite fighter before that. I thought he was somewhat of a prospect damn near his whole reign at 140.

The best time to make Floyd-Cotto fight was in 2008. That is when it was at highest in anticipation. I don't blame Floyd for that fight not happening. Cotto wasn't pushing it. And, Arum was trying to make Cotto-Clottey at this time and ended up putting Cotto against Gomez. People can blame Arum too. But, fact is Cotto wasn't pushing this fight. Right or wrong he wasn't pushing.

It's not a duck what happened.

[ADP02]

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As it turns out, Floyd wanted a Cotto fight as early as 2005, .....................................

Well that's the thing with Floyd .... there is a pattern .......
- he asked Ortiz to fight him too after just one fight at 147 ... that's a young but naive Ortiz that still had things to work on before he should have fought Floyd.

- Marquez was asked to move up 2 divisions.

- Hatton - come back up to 147 after going back down to 140.

- Floyd wanted and may get his wishes next against a Canelo that still needs to mature and take on more fights before he should face a Floyd.

- It was stated that he may face Khan next year if Khan .... but Khan may first fight once at WW .... then he is ready for Floyd .... or should I say, Floyd is ready for Khan!

There are more but you get my point? 2005 was too early for that fight but that was perfect for Floyd. Cotto vs Floyd should have happened at the end of 2007 or early 2008 but that is when Floyd went on vacation ....

[turbotime]

Well that's the thing with Floyd .... there is a pattern .......
- he asked Ortiz to fight him too after just one fight at 147 ... that's a young but naive Ortiz that still had things to work on before he should have fought Floyd.

- Marquez was asked to move up 2 divisions.

- Hatton - come back up to 147 after going back down to 140.

- Floyd wanted and may get his wishes next against a Canelo that still needs to mature and take on more fights before he should face a Floyd.

- It was stated that he may face Khan next year if Khan .... but Khan may first fight once at WW .... then he is ready for Floyd .... or should I say, Floyd is ready for Khan!

There are more but you get my point? 2005 was too early for that fight but that was perfect for Floyd. Cotto vs Floyd should have happened at the end of 2007 or early 2008 but that is when Floyd went on vacation ....

Not this idiot........

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Why is that? Is it because he just doesn't want to, or could it be in response to Bob not wanting to do business and waging a PR campaign against him- one that people like you bought into.

If memory serves, Team Floyd was willing to come to the table to negotiate a Pacquiao fight, which Bob eventually walked away from.

And if my memory serves me correctly Floyd killed any chance of negotiations with the ridiculous demand of keeping all the PPV revenue. So yeah, tell both sides?

[bMak]

Im saying the fight was the best fight in boxing to be made in 2008, not 2005. You cant disprove that so you call me bias....

And yes you can become a bigger threat with the more fights and experience you gain. I.e Canelo may become a threat in a few years. Is he now? Not really.

Who was Cotto even fighting in 05? I seem to remember him doing the stanky leg against Chop Chop around that time. He was in no real position to fight Floyd then.

I call you on your bias because it shows. You're the one who keeps throwing Floyd-Cotto 08 in there, just trying to move away from the bias statement you made. That was all I pointed out.

First of all, if I were to go through your posts on Floyd, none of them would be positive. Second, Cotto was always legit. Because Floyd retired in 2008, you let your perception of him shape the pieces of your own puzzle. According to you, Cotto didn't become a threat until Floyd retired. You're saying that to suggest Floyd retired to avoid Cotto, of course.

Let's also pretend Bob Arum would've let the fight happen, just for the sake of this conversation.

[Brother Jay]

Where did he say he was "not interested"? Seems you are making things up.

He says he's always available to fight the best. He just didn't push for certain fights, he fought whoever was put in front of him.

Cotto-Floyd was the best fight in boxing in 2008 and Floyd retired. Those are the only relevant facts.

Actually, the most relevant fact is that Floyd pushed for a guarantee to fight Arum's fighters.

Had Floyd gotten that guarantee, the fight would have happened.

Arum refused. No fight happened.

The other relevant fact is that Floyd had offered Cotto a fight more than once.

Cotto was NOT relevant at WW before Floyd announced that he would be inactive for 2008 .. as 2008 was the ONLY year Floyd didn't fight in career.

So I don't understand the confusion.

Then again, some people chose to be confused in order to be able to carry on.

[bMak]

BTW, Floyd got hurt by that same Demarcus Corley a year earlier. By that logic, he must not have been ready to take on legit threats himself.

[ADP02]

Not this idiot........

I'm kind of disappointed in you Turbo .... usually you make mistakes when you comment but at least you put some effort and attempt to add logic but now you have become one of those!!!

Those?

One that can't argue so they just say what you said .... put someone down, say his English is bad or some other off topic remark .... if you would at least back up your statement with facts then I can respect that but not what you just did.

Especially after the type of comments that I have seen from you. People are laughing at many of your remarks ... like I said, at least back it up with something!