What does lineal champ mean to you?

[Lineal Champ]

Damn 10 page thread about lil ol me. What do i mean to you guys

[I Love Jesus!]

I see all these *****s and *******s talking about it but what does it really mean to you. Define it

Lineage starts on the first defense of an UNDISPUTED championship. period end of story. it cant and doesn't mean anything else and never will. anyone who tells you otherwise is uninformed.

[I Love Jesus!]

It's the man who beat the man. Which of course traces back for many years.

If the Lineage is vacant, it can be re-determined by the universal #1 Vs. the universal #2.

The "Lineage" is often open to interpretation, as far as I'm aware the "Ring Title" is their interpretation of "The man" and the "Lineal Champion".

But, other's people may differ to there's I.e Mosley's WW Lineage in 09-10. Many considered him the Lineal Champion whereas The Ring and other's felt he wasn't.

So, it does get confusing at times.

That's how I look at it anyway and always have.

your wrong

[Brother Jay]

It's the man who beat the man. Which of course traces back for many years.

If the Lineage is vacant, it can be re-determined by the universal #1 Vs. the universal #2.

The "Lineage" is often open to interpretation, as far as I'm aware the "Ring Title" is their interpretation of "The man" and the "Lineal Champion".

But, other's people may differ to there's I.e Mosley's WW Lineage in 09-10. Many considered him the Lineal Champion whereas The Ring and other's felt he wasn't.

So, it does get confusing at times.

That's how I look at it anyway and always have.

lineal has two meanings depending on the situation. if the tite is vacant, its when the top two guys in the division fight each other and the winner is considered the man to beat.

once there is a man to beat, the lineal is established and the man who beats that man is lineal and so on and so forth until once again someone retires or vacates.

^^^^^ Yeah ... that's about right.

[I Love Jesus!]

Question?

Lets say right now Canelo and Cotto fought, would you consider it a lineal title since they are 1 and 2 on the rings rankings at 154??

I sure as hell have a really hard time calling the winner of that fight a lineal champ

no you have to be an undisputed champion to establish lineage. you have to unify the belt thats the only way.

[turbotime]

Yeah so in your theory, Ortiz can become lineal champ almost straight after getting KTFO by Floyd. That is the logic you're working with

By beating Berto and then Pac? You believe he wouldn't become the guy to beat in the division if he did that? Go to bed dude, it's late in the UK.

[4Corners]

no you have to be an undisputed champion to establish lineage. you have to unify the belt thats the only way.

Bernard Hopkins established lineage by being the undisputed MW champ, making him the RING MW champ, and than he lost to Jermian Taylor. Jermain Taylor lost to Kelly Pavlik, who lost to Sergio Martinez. That's why Sergio is the RING MW champ.

If the universal #1 and #2 fight though, it can be for the vacant RING/Lineal title. Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch for example.

So....if Gamboa and Salido fought next, it could be for the vacant RING FW title. If Nishioka and Rigondeaux fought right now, it could be for the vacant RING SBW title. If Moreno and Mares fight, it could be for the vacant RING BW title.

[I Love Jesus!]

Bernard Hopkins established lineage by being the undisputed MW champ, making him the RING MW champ, and than he lost to Jermian Taylor. Jermain Taylor lost to Kelly Pavlik, who lost to Sergio Martinez. That's why Sergio is the RING MW champ.

If the universal #1 and #2 fight though, it can be for the vacant RING/Lineal title. Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch for example.

So....if Gamboa and Salido fought next, it could be for the vacant RING FW title. If Nishioka and Rigondeaux fought right now, it could be for the vacant RING SBW title. If Moreno and Mares fight, it could be for the vacant RING BW title.

i dont know how they decide the ring champion but to start lineage you have to unify.

[I Love Jesus!]

Bernard Hopkins established lineage by being the undisputed MW champ, making him the RING MW champ, and than he lost to Jermian Taylor. Jermain Taylor lost to Kelly Pavlik, who lost to Sergio Martinez. That's why Sergio is the RING MW champ.

If the universal #1 and #2 fight though, it can be for the vacant RING/Lineal title. Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch for example.

So....if Gamboa and Salido fought next, it could be for the vacant RING FW title. If Nishioka and Rigondeaux fought right now, it could be for the vacant RING SBW title. If Moreno and Mares fight, it could be for the vacant RING BW title.

being the ring champion doesn't create lineage. you have to be the undisputed champion.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

By beating Berto and then Pac? You believe he wouldn't become the guy to beat in the division if he did that? Go to bed dude, it's late in the UK.

The guy to beat?

He'd be the guy that Mayweather already beat.

Do you realise how perverse it sounds to say Mayweather would have to beat the guy he already KTFO to become Lineal Champ? No? Not getting through yet?!!??!

And how many times are you going to tell me to "go to bed"? You seem overly worried about getting me into bed. Its disturbing.