Comments Thread For:Comments Thread For: Kirkland Beats Molina By Controversial Disqu

[Queen_Leia]

I rarely ever post but I just saw the last few rounds. There was way too much holding on Molinas part. A good judge would have warned or deducted points. It really wasn't boxing...The corner actually comes in twice, around the 5 count and then right after the 9 count. The ref actually had to push the corner out of the ring at the 5 count. The ref was clearly still giving the count when the corner tried to step in, and therefore i think the disqual is justified.

John Chavez at BoxingTruth performed a compuclinch and had Molina initiating 78 clinches through round 10...unheard off.

That not fighting when you negate the other fighters offense by holding instead of using proper defensive manuevers

[periks19]

Carlos Molina = the unluckiest man in boxing...

I would name campillo the unluckiest guy in boxing

[Fighting Pride]

No surprise, young up and coming hype job gets a gift. As for the clinching, slick fighters are allowed to hit and hold through entire fights with impunity, Molina shouldn't be treated differently just because he is Mexican. I hate excessive holding being used as a gameplan, but it's part of the game now. Molina was hard done by.

[southpaw_07]

Molina being DQ'd was right but the way it was done is wrong, he should been dq'd due to excessive holding. As for the corner jumping in during the count, the commission has advisers in the corners to tell the corners when they can and can not enter the ring, where was this adviser ?

[KmanaG]

Disgusting refereeing and I hope this gets over-turned a'la Hopkins v Dawson. Yes Molina had an ugly style but he was a mile ahead on my card, he was landing clean effective punches (something Kirkland was not able to do) and it was down to Kirkland to change things. Why should Molina be punished for the fact Kirkland couldn't find an answer for the downright annoying and irritating strategy of Molina? Wladimir Klitschko uses a similar type of game plan and it's down to his opponents to find a way to stop him using it.

[vacon04]

LITERALLY the worst fight I've ever seen, and people *****ING about the DQ, guess what? If Molina had held, hit on the break and did all the BS he did with say, Bayless as the ref he would of been DQ'd in round 3 with that s.hit.

When the fight actually was legal, and it was in the center of the ring Kirkland got off the better punches coming forward. The ONLY time Molina WAS effective was when he would literally hug, and hold Kirkland's arms, jump out and hit him before Kirkland had a chance to bring his damn hands back up from Molina holding them down. I'm literally baffled at the people in here who are SUPPORTING that DISGUSTING incompetence from the Ref and Molina.

I understand when a fighter clinches to break a fighters rhythm, and then right away jump out of the clinch, but Molina would just RANDOMLY hold Kirkland's arms down, and do nothing, and Kirkland, who was waiting for the Ref to break it up (which NEVER happened once) would be distracted and Molina would more or less cheap shot him.

The only people that APPRECIATE that constant, pointless, excessive holding from Molina are people that hate Kirkland and wanted him to lose from the gate. You people are pathetic. If there's a rematch, and there is a more competent ref like Smoger or Bayless, and the excessive clinching isn't allowed, Kirkland blows Molina away in a few rounds, and THAT'S on the record. I'll bet with anyone on here if it happens.

MYSTICALLY (lol) in the 10th when Molina was tired and getting tagged and hurt more, he got rocked and dropped RIGHT away, because finally Schorle (The Ref) woke up and started to break them right away, Molina couldn't keep away from Kirkland and was getting hit with everything and got floored. All Molina did was try to survive and throw 10 punches around ALL night. This was 10x worse then Hopkins' flat performance against Calzaghe. If this was the Molina who beat Cintron, and he fought like that I'd give him respect, but his only defense tonight literally was non-stop clinching, and shame on any of you who support it.

Man you have Andre Ward in your signature, a guy who clinches A LOT. I don't like that style of clinching all the time, but it's kinda weird that you criticize Molina but support Ward while both of them use clinching for defense purposes.

[BlackRobbb]

Man you have Andre Ward in your signature, a guy who clinches A LOT. I don't like that style of clinching all the time, but it's kinda weird that you criticize Molina but support Ward while both of them use clinching for defense purposes.

The difference between Hopkins/Ward and Molina is the fact that Hopkins and Ward employ maybe 2-3 dirty tricks in a typical fight, while Carlos was using 8-9.

Molina hit after the break, punched after the bell, pulled Kirkland's head down repeatedly, rubbed the laces of his gloves in Kirkland's face, got Kirkland in headlocks, rabbit punched, head butted and failed to observe the proper breaking distance when the ref ordered both fighters to break.

I probably forgot a few fouls Molina committed, but go back and watch the fight again -- I'm sure you'll see even more than I did.

[BlackRobbb]

A lot of fighters hold more than the rules allow, but few fighters commit virtually the entire spectrum of possible fouls in a boxing ring, as Molina did. Never once was he warned -- not once!!!

This was Mares-Agbeko all over again, probably worse because Mares didn't commit a wide variety of fouls, just one -- hitting low.

[Tobi.G]

LITERALLY the worst fight I've ever seen, and people *****ING about the DQ, guess what? If Molina had held, hit on the break and did all the BS he did with say, Bayless as the ref he would of been DQ'd in round 3 with that s.hit.

When the fight actually was legal, and it was in the center of the ring Kirkland got off the better punches coming forward. The ONLY time Molina WAS effective was when he would literally hug, and hold Kirkland's arms, jump out and hit him before Kirkland had a chance to bring his damn hands back up from Molina holding them down. I'm literally baffled at the people in here who are SUPPORTING that DISGUSTING incompetence from the Ref and Molina.

I understand when a fighter clinches to break a fighters rhythm, and then right away jump out of the clinch, but Molina would just RANDOMLY hold Kirkland's arms down, and do nothing, and Kirkland, who was waiting for the Ref to break it up (which NEVER happened once) would be distracted and Molina would more or less cheap shot him.

The only people that APPRECIATE that constant, pointless, excessive holding from Molina are people that hate Kirkland and wanted him to lose from the gate. You people are pathetic. If there's a rematch, and there is a more competent ref like Smoger or Bayless, and the excessive clinching isn't allowed, Kirkland blows Molina away in a few rounds, and THAT'S on the record. I'll bet with anyone on here if it happens.

MYSTICALLY (lol) in the 10th when Molina was tired and getting tagged and hurt more, he got rocked and dropped RIGHT away, because finally Schorle (The Ref) woke up and started to break them right away, Molina couldn't keep away from Kirkland and was getting hit with everything and got floored. All Molina did was try to survive and throw 10 punches around ALL night. This was 10x worse then Hopkins' flat performance against Calzaghe. If this was the Molina who beat Cintron, and he fought like that I'd give him respect, but his only defense tonight literally was non-stop clinching, and shame on any of you who support it.

I agree with you but want to add that Kirkland was verry muscle-bound in this fight, just like Steward said. He looked bigger than ever, it was to much. Next time he should come in a bit lighter. He looked like he was about 170 pounds.

[sd southpaw]

dirty sloppy fight i was going for kirkland but he's very slow and stiff i cant see him going too far, as for molina i think he was winning at the time but he's weak as f**k too all that holding and pushing they both looked like club fighters and they had the nerve to say molina is one of the best fighters at 54 haha