Who has Floyd or Pacman beaten at 147/154....

[Bushbaby]

mannyweights included (to accomidate Pacman) at the time that they fought them that is better than Martinez.

At the time they fought them. (For those that are going to try to say that a 144 lb Oscar that Pacman fought could beat any respectable fighter).

I honestly cannot think of a single fighter between the 2 that is better than Martinez. I'm honestly trying to figure out why people are so adamant in saying that Martinez is not on their level. I'd like to find that 1 fighter between the 2 that proves they are superior to Martinez around 154. So I've included their welterweight run to accomidate them & judge fairly.

I could include Hatton & Gatti from 140, but That would be laughable because they are no where near martinez's level currently.

[horge]

The Cotto that Pac faced was downhill, but good-enough to come
close, P4P, to the Martinez I saw in that last fight. Setting aside
'P4P reckoning' of Sergio relative to Manny and Floyd, I'd have to
say that no WW faced by either Floyd or Manny constitutes a
Martinez-level challenge

It's pretty obvious on a weight-basis alone.
Whether he does "Mannyweight" 150 or goes legit 154, he is still
going to rehydrate to being so much heavier than Manny, and
heavier than Floyd, come fight night.

At what you call mannyweight, Sergio does run significant risk
of overdraining, but Manny's going to be more than 30 lbs south
of him (see actual ring-weight vs. Plasterito). Against Floyd with
no catch, he won't have as much of a weight advantage, but
then he doesn't have to worry about being weakened by 'catch'
draining.

That said, I think both smallish WW's win over Sergio:
Floyd with much more ease than Pac, who would likely be forced
to retire after such a war.

[Bushbaby]

The Cotto that Pac faced was downhill, but good-enough to come close
P4P to the Martinez I saw in that last fight. Setting aside 'P4P reckoning'
of Sergio relative to Manny and Floyd, I'd have to say that no WW faced
by either Floyd or Manny constitutes a Martinez-level challenge

It's pretty obvious on a weight-basis alone.
Whether he does "Mannyweight" 150 or goes legit 154, he is still going to
rehydrate to being so much heavier than Manny, and heavier Floyd, come
fight night. At what you call mannyweight, Sergio does run significant risk
of overdraining, but Manny's going to be more than 30 lbs south of him
(see actual ring-weight vs. Plasterito). Against Floyd with no catch, he
won't have as much of a weight advantage, but then he doesn't have to
worry about being weakened by 'catch' draining.

1 brave man, my guy. I do not think a 145lb Cotto comes close to Martinez in the slightest. Can you tell me why you feel so?? I think a 147lb Clottey is higher than 145 Cotto.

[pesticid]

1 brave man, my guy. I do not think a 145lb Cotto comes close to Martinez in the slightest. Can you tell me why you feel so?? I think a 147lb Clottey is higher than 145 Cotto.

Clottey tore Miguel's face off and the decision should've gone his way. Cotto past Margarito is not the same Cotto but even Cotto before Margarito wasn't great. That little Dominican landed combos on him for a round and a half. How Cotto survived I don't know, he's got heart but not always (Margarito and Pacman) He struggle with Paulie, he's been hit and hurt by Corley for instance.

Martinez wipes his ass with Cotto whether Cotto weighs 144, 154 at any time, any age, any place.

[Bushbaby]

Clottey tore Miguel's face off and the decision should've gone his way. Cotto past Margarito is not the same Cotto but even Cotto before Margarito wasn't great. That little Dominican landed combos on him for a round and a half. How Cotto survived I don't know, he's got heart but not always (Margarito and Pacman) He struggle with Paulie, he's been hit and hurt by Corley for instance.

Martinez wipes his ass with Cotto whether Cotto weighs 144, 154 at any time, any age, any place.

Homey................you are preaching to the choir. And I like Cotto.

[turbotime]

What has Martinez done at 154 again? Floyd fought an Oscar who hung in with BHop and Sturm at MW, KTFO of Mayorga and had stopped Campas, Vargas, and got jobbed vs Mosley.

I wanna see Martinez come down and prove he is worthy.

[-GDS-]

Two words, Sharmba Mitchell. But seriously, I think the 34 y/o Oscar that sparred with Shane would be at least competive with Martinez if Macklin could be.

[El Vikingo]

imho Sexy would eat alive Pacman at 154 of course ,weight mismatched tbh and Floyd UD Sergio

[El Vikingo]

What has Martinez done at 154 again? Floyd fought an Oscar who hung in with BHop and Sturm at MW, KTFO of Mayorga and had stopped Campas, Vargas, and got jobbed vs Mosley.

I wanna see Martinez come down and prove he is worthy.

he s cleaned out 2 divisions in the last couple of years ,what more you want?

[turbotime]

he s cleaned out 2 divisions in the last couple of years ,what more you want?

Martinez cleaned out 154?