How can people have Martinez p4p ahead of JMM?

[elfag]

Marquez is number 2 on most people's list, so I don't see it. I too have Marquez at number 2, I even have Ward ahead of Martinez. My Top 5 is,

Mayweather
Marquez
Ward
Martinez
Pacquiao

You have to have Ward ahead of Martinez as Ward has dominated, not struggled but dominated almost everyone he's faced. Marquez clearly beat Pacquiao in my opinion so he gets number two.

That is a really good point. Ward's record in the last few years is superior to Martinez's.

[Bushbaby]

JMM had his best performance yet up at 144 against Pac, an ATG fighter. Sergio struggled with his last two opponents who are many levels below Pac. The level of competition the two are facing is night and day. Its not sergios fault, hes fighting who is there at 160 but late KO wins over lesser opponents doesnt make you a lock for #3 p4p, especially when its evident that JMM would easily beat sergio if they were the same size.

Define struggling. Struggling & getting a gift is far lesser than Putting together 2 ko's.

[Heavy Hitter]

Martinez says he cant move up to 168, that is 14 pounds up from his starting weight. Marquez has already done that and beyond fighting at 140 and 144

If you are talking starting weight, as where he started his career. Martinez did start at 147. Martinez is in his 3rd weight class.

[turbotime]

Floyd
Pac
Marquez
Ward
Martinez

You can argue who deserves the 4th spot but Martinez sure as hell ain't #3. Going 1-1 with Williams and beating Eurobums isn't cutting it right now.

[Larry the boss]

Yes, JMM should be above Sergio, but i think they like Sergios ko power maybe.

But the powers that be dont always get it right. For instance when Floyd was p4p no1 instead of Pac, when Pac was beating Barrera and Morales and JMM.
If they cant even get no1 and 2 right of course further down the pecking order 3-10 they can have people in places they shouldnt be and get it wrong as well.

exactly thats why Floyd should be #1 now

cause beating a mosley coming off of a lose and a draw
a margo who hadnt won **** since 2008
and a clottey coming off of a lose

not to mention gettign your ass kicked by a lightweight isnt as impressive as

dominating the same lightweight
beating mosley when he was the wba champ top 3 p4p
beating #2 ranked wbc champ Ortiz

[Larry the boss]

Its not about JMM being a legend or not or where he ranks as an ATG, its about today's p4p list of who are the best fighters and if they are all the same weight who would be the best and its pretty clear to me that JMM is a better caliber fighter than Martinez. Further Martinez is only in his 2nd weight class and JMM is up at his 3rd and 4th weight class. If we see marquez struggle with Katsidis versus Sergo struggle with Barker and Macklin, JMM is more forgivable when he has jumped more weight classes.

Martinez says he cant move up to 168, that is 14 pounds up from his starting weight. Marquez has already done that and beyond fighting at 140 and 144

so you think Sergio started at 154???lol and jumping weight doesnt= greatness

[Bushbaby]

exactly thats why Floyd should be #1 now

cause beating a mosley coming off of a lose and a draw
a margo who hadnt won **** since 2008
and a clottey coming off of a lose

not to mention gettign your ass kicked by a lightweight isnt as impressive as

dominating the same lightweight
beating mosley when he was the wba champ top 3 p4p
beating #2 ranked wbc champ Ortiz

Mght wanna add lineal to Mosley's status when Floyd fought him.

[TheMexHurricane]

finished watching his last fight and HBO crew talking about sergio #3 p4p and stupid max kellerman tweets them during the fight that he has sergio #4, behind Donaire.

Is there anyone that really thinks if they were the same size that JMM wouldnt school the **** out of Martinez? Martinez had trouble with Macklin's combinations which landed pretty easily, he would never be able to beat JMM, isnt that the basis of p4p?

JMM's majority decision loss to Pac, with one judge having it even and the majority of fans having it a win, is better then Martinez' last two fights with fighters way below Manny's level and it being an even fight going into the 10th.

1) Kellerman "Pac=G.O.A.T."

2) J.M.M. beats Pac

3) Kellerman "JMM= 5th best fighter today"

[TheMexHurricane]

Love Martinez but what would've happened if Pavlik hadn't got cut and Macklin didn't get tired?

[TheMexHurricane]

Martinez didn't look to good vs Darren Parker either.