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  • IronDanHamza
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    #11
    Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
    Could you help me out? How? I just don't see it.
    How what?

    Is he in the Top 5 resumes of current fighters?

    Well he has two wins over prime/close to prime ATG's - Hopkins and Toney, Toney was P4P #3 and arguably #1 actually, at the time.

    That alone puts him in the argument IMO.

    Then he has good wins over Virgil Hill, very impressive win

    Montel Griffin - Good win

    Anontio Tarver - Top 10 P4P at that point.

    Alot of title defences, especially at 175 albeit alot of poor ones but a list of solid ones over Top ranked fighters when he fought them.

    4 Weight World Champion.

    I would say that's quite an impressive career IMO.

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    • Mr. Fantastic
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      #12
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      How what?

      Is he in the Top 5 resumes of current fighters?

      Well he has two wins over prime/close to prime ATG's - Hopkins and Toney, Toney was P4P #3 and arguably #1 actually, at the time.

      That alone puts him in the argument IMO.

      Then he has good wins over Virgil Hill, very impressive win

      Montel Griffin - Good win

      Anontio Tarver - Top 10 P4P at that point.

      Alot of title defences, especially at 175 albeit alot of poor ones but a list of solid ones over Top ranked fighters when he fought them.

      4 Weight World Champion.

      I would say that's quite an impressive career IMO.
      Yea top 5 current fighters. I understand Hopkins and Toney were good wins. You did list others as well but I still see someone like Morales having a better resume than Jones currently. Let's not forget Jones getting his ass whopped left and right recently has tarnished his legacy in a way. At least Morales is making some fights out of his losses.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
        Yea top 5 current fighters. I understand Hopkins and Toney were good wins. You did list others as well but I still see someone like Morales having a better resume than Jones currently. Let's not forget Jones getting his ass whopped left and right recently has tarnished his legacy in a way. At least Morales is making some fights out of his losses.
        The only way I see Morales as having a better resume than Roy Jones is if you count his many loss's against him.

        I personally don't, considering the majority of them were when he was on a clear state of decline but some people rank like that. I personally don't.

        I think Jones certainly has the better wins between them however I do rank Morales very highly in that regard and he would probably be #6 on that list just outside the Top 5 of active fighters.

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          #14
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          The only way I see Morales as having a better resume than Roy Jones is if you count his many loss's against him.

          I personally don't, considering the majority of them were when he was on a clear state of decline but some people rank like that. I personally don't.

          I think Jones certainly has the better wins between them however I do rank Morales very highly in that regard and he would probably be #6 on that list just outside the Top 5 of active fighters.
          I'm not counting losses. I'm only counting wins. Hell Morales' wins against Pac and Barrera **** on anything Floyd has done apart from DLH as well and you have him up there too. FYI I'm more of a Barrera fan than Morales. Speaking of Barrera, you could debate he's active as well. To me Jones is great but not like people make him out to be.

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            #15
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            Active fighters?

            Holyfield
            Jones Jr
            Pacquaio
            Mayweather
            Hopkins
            This, although hopefully Holyfield comes off that list pretty quick (as far as remaining active.) And after one or two more fights schooling these youngsters, Hopkins as well.

            Hon mention DLH, Barrera and Morales.
            Last edited by Jim Jeffries; 03-20-2012, 10:45 AM.

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            • 4Corners
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              #16
              All-Time: Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Johnson, and Armstrong.
              Honorable mentions: Pep, Greb, Hagler, Louis, and Tunney.

              1990's-present day fighters: Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Whitaker, Jones.
              Honorable mentions: De La Hoya, Holyfield, Bowe, and Barrera.

              I fully expect Andre Ward to be in there someday as well. He's still only 28, in his peak, has at least 4-5 really good years left to beat people at 168-175.
              Last edited by 4Corners; 03-20-2012, 10:44 AM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
                I'm not counting losses. I'm only counting wins. Hell Morales' wins against Pac and Barrera **** on anything Floyd has done apart from DLH as well and you have him up there too. FYI I'm more of a Barrera fan than Morales. Speaking of Barrera, you could debate he's active as well. To me Jones is great but not like people make him out to be.
                Of course his sole wins over Pacquaio and Barrera are better than anything Mayweather has done but I think career for career Mayweather is the greater fighter.

                Yeah I know Barrera is active still, I consider Morales to be greater than Barrera personally and the rest of the fighters on that list.

                I think Roy Jones is a great fighter, Top 50. He's overrated to some degree by many of his fans but then again so is every fighter that was in the main stream like that in recent years and the way he is overrated now is nothing compared to when he was in his prime.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by 4CornersKid
                  All-Time: Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Johnson, and Armstrong.
                  Honorable mentions: Pep, Greb, Hagler, Louis, and Tunney.

                  1990's-present day fighters: Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Whitaker, Jones.
                  Honorable mentions: De La Hoya, Holyfield, Bowe, and Barrera.

                  I fully expect Andre Ward to be in there someday as well. He's still only 28, in his peak, has at least 4-5 really good years left to beat people at 168-175.
                  Explain to me how Jack Johnson has one of the 5 greatest resumes of all time.

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                    #19
                    All time -
                    Robinson
                    Greb
                    Langford
                    Armstrong
                    Charles.

                    Current has been gone over and I'd just be repeating what others have said.

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