16 man single elimination tournament at 160

[kiaba360]

I'd like to see Macklin fight someone like Barker or Quillin next. And if he were to win that, fight someone like Golovkin for a title.

IDK what the hell is being done with Quillin, but they need to get him young and relevant MWs to fight. If Dibella didn't let Lee fight Quillin, i'm not sure he would allow Macklin to do so either. Of course I could be wrong. The MW division is filled with potential, but there is too much stalling going around. The champs aren't unifying, Sturm is playing keep-away in Germany, Pirog is playing the same game in Russia, TR is using every excuse to keep Chavez from fighting the top guys, etc. The Middleweight division is a ****in mess lol. I wish a tournament could pop off already, it needs to happen for the sake of the division.

I hope by some ****in miracle that Zbik comes outta the Sturm fight with the WBA belt, and Murray comes outta Texas with WBC belt, so we can finally get **** going.

[New England]

I think that the Middleweight division underrated. They just need to get some of these guys on American television.

I included a couple matches that have been announced/speculated and then added my own match ups. who takes it?

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winner of golovkin and martinez fights pirog

the real question would be how much the tournament effects each man. martinez will probably be 38.

can he beat golovkin after two hard fights in a row at that age?
i tend to doubt it. just think about the strain that will put on his body given the way he trains and fights. he's basically a pure athlete who boxes.
golovkin is fresh. stringing tough fights and camps together will be much easier on him. he's also more likely to end a fight early with his power.

golovkin beats pirog
golovkin wins.


if they were to skip straight to the final three i'd pick martinez
he's got much more season. golovkin and pirog will have never been in a fighter of martinez class.
and while the russians are good, martinez has been fighting guys in that same class for years now and has been winning, often via stoppage.


it would be a BRUTAL tournament and would never happen.
guys would get carted out. they'd have to pay them big time dollars.

[4Corners]

IDK what the hell is being done with Quillin, but they need to get him young and relevant MWs to fight. If Dibella didn't let Lee fight Quillin, i'm not sure he would allow Macklin to do so either. Of course I could be wrong. The MW division is filled with potential, but there is too much stalling going around. The champs aren't unifying, Sturm is playing keep-away in Germany, Pirog is playing the same game in Russia, TR is using every excuse to keep Chavez from fighting the top guys, etc. The Middleweight division is a ****in mess lol. I wish a tournament could pop off already, it needs to happen for the sake of the division.

I think Lou would let Macklin fight Quillin now that Sergio already beat him. After Quillin beats Winky, and he will beat him at this stage, he should go for Matthew Macklin. Macklin beat Sturm and gave Sergio all he wanted the first 6-7 rounds. Macklin is a legit and solid Middleweight. He'd whup Barker's a$$.

And I am not sure why people are so high on Andy Lee. His best win was a decent win over McEwan, where McEwan gave Andy Lee trouble until he stopped him. Quillin made McEwan look like the sub-par fringe contender he is. Quillin > Lee all day everyday.

[New England]

I think Lou would let Macklin fight Quillin now that Sergio already beat him. After Quillin beats Winky, and he will beat him at this stage, he should go for Matthew Macklin. Macklin beat Sturm and gave Sergio all he wanted the first 6-7 rounds. Macklin is a legit and solid Middleweight. He'd whup Barker's a$$.

And I am not sure why people are so high on Andy Lee. His best win was a decent win over McEwan, where McEwan gave Andy Lee trouble until he stopped him. Quillin made McEwan look like the sub-par fringe contender he is. Quillin > Lee all day everyday.

i would like to see these guys start fighting eachother
(except for sturm. i just wonder when he's going to finally retire.)

we tend to focus a good deal on the champions and their opponents. some of the most even matches come from the fights among the contenders.

that's a lost art, matching contenders
not every fight has to be billed as the next big thing. some of these fights would make for terrific undercards and they dont cost a ton of dough.

[Russian Crushin]

By the time that tourney ends, half of those guys will be retired

[Suavecito80]

Way to many people in this tournament and Martinez still comes out on top.

[kiaba360]

I think Lou would let Macklin fight Quillin now that Sergio already beat him. After Quillin beats Winky, and he will beat him at this stage, he should go for Matthew Macklin. Macklin beat Sturm and gave Sergio all he wanted the first 6-7 rounds. Macklin is a legit and solid Middleweight. He'd whup Barker's a$$.

And I am not sure why people are so high on Andy Lee. His best win was a decent win over McEwan, where McEwan gave Andy Lee trouble until he stopped him. Quillin made McEwan look like the sub-par fringe contender he is. Quillin > Lee all day everyday.

Lee is overhyped, but not necessarily overrated. I think he's technically sound with some pop in both hands. He has an amazing southpaw uppercut that he was catching Vera with. I just like his offensive arsenal, but his defense can still improve. I think Quillin could and would beat Lee, but it wouldn't be without a fight. Lee has a solid jab which he would try and keep Quillin at bay with, but I'm not really sold on his chin. I think Quillin would test it, and probably crack it lol. Dibella knows what he's doing.

[HeroBando]

I think Lou would let Macklin fight Quillin now that Sergio already beat him. After Quillin beats Winky, and he will beat him at this stage, he should go for Matthew Macklin. Macklin beat Sturm and gave Sergio all he wanted the first 6-7 rounds. Macklin is a legit and solid Middleweight. He'd whup Barker's a$$.

And I am not sure why people are so high on Andy Lee. His best win was a decent win over McEwan, where McEwan gave Andy Lee trouble until he stopped him. Quillin made McEwan look like the sub-par fringe contender he is. Quillin > Lee all day everyday.

Cause he's got nice tangibles: decent handspeed, power, length, good technique. Some nifty combos, things that get people excited. He's also Irish, doesn't hurt (see Macklin's 1st US fight, and he's not even full Irish), He's also missing some important parts like stamina, chin (? he hasn't been down much or at all? but there's room for doubt), defense, but it's not like Barker and Macklin beat him here (Barker has more responsible defense normally).

[4Corners]

i would like to see these guys start fighting eachother
(except for sturm. i just wonder when he's going to finally retire.)

we tend to focus a good deal on the champions and their opponents. some of the most even matches come from the fights among the contenders.

that's a lost art, matching contenders
not every fight has to be billed as the next big thing. some of these fights would make for terrific undercards and they dont cost a ton of dough.

Just look at Kirkland for good matches between contenders. The guy has to fight Angulo, Molina, and Vanes, just to get a shot at Alvarez. And even then, nothing is guaranteed. I see Alvarez fighting Cotto once he loses to Floyd. Cotto only wants big fights and would probably love to get another title if he loses to Floyd. And Canelo would see Cotto as a way to land the Floyd fight. The only Canelo becomes a really good fight for Floyd is if he beats Kirkland or Cotto. That's it.

[kiaba360]

Just look at Kirkland for good matches between contenders. The guy has to fight Angulo, Molina, and Vanes, just to get a shot at Alvarez. And even then, nothing is guaranteed. I see Alvarez fighting Cotto once he loses to Floyd. Cotto only wants big fights and would probably love to get another title if he loses to Floyd. And Canelo would see Cotto as a way to land the Floyd fight. The only Canelo becomes a really good fight for Floyd is if he beats Kirkland or Cotto. That's it.

This is WHY I wanted Cotto/Canelo to happen, because now Canelo can simply avoid Cotto if/when he loses to Floyd. I'm hoping Cotto gets a shot at Canelo afterwards. Cotto beating Canelo will maybe open the door slightly for Cotto/Martinez? I wonder if Martinez would offer the same 80/20 split to Cotto? hmmmm....