Which 4 heads would be on the Mount Rushmore of Boxing?

[polarcub]

I wish I can send the pains Mike Tyson felt on that night of June 8, 2002, to anyone who calls Ali a coward because he didn't feel like dying for a country at the time which treated his race like trash.

[JAB5239]

Good ambassadors to the sport like Foreman and Marquez. I don't recall them having any serious issues inside and outside the ring. I think Louis also didn't cause any drama or hit women like Jack Johnson and his victory vs the Schm(German dude/can't recall name) was major at the time. Plus I think he served.

Foreman was a thug who use to mug people in Houston's 5th ward. Louis admitted to hitting and choking Lena Horne. There is dirt on almost any fighter you can pick that can be viewed any way you'd like to interpret it. Marquez isn't American so he doesn't belong on an American monument. No disrespect to him, I wouldn't put an American on a Mexican monument either.

[Alx.]

john l, robinson, ali, dempsey

[PD21]

Ali, Robinson, Leonard


. .. and the 4th one is debatable when there are so many legandary names to consider. I'd put Barrera in there just cos he is a favourite

[Mr. Fantastic]

Ali helped his country by being on the forefront of racial equality. Why is one better than the other? All took bold stances for what they believed in and stood up to things they thought unjust. So I'll ask again...what makes one better than the other?

He wasn't the only one being drafted. Dude was a ****ing coward. Like I said, that's my opinion of him for dodging the draft. It's like the people that mooch off our welfare system and complain about this country.

fighting a war in vietnam has nothing to do with protecting america and ali was smart enough to know that. he wasn't going to be a sheep that the military paraded around as propaganda to further their pro war cause. that was the best thing he ever did in his life. better than anything he did in boxing. a real american stands up against tyranny, they don't go along with it and pretend it's ok because their government says so. that's called ignorance.

That wasn't smart at all. You live in my house you better damn well put in your part to pay the bills. If you know what I mean. That wasn't tyranny at all. Who knows how strong communism would of been this day if we didn't do shit about it.

Foreman was a thug who use to mug people in Houston's 5th ward. Louis admitted to hitting and choking Lena Horne. There is dirt on almost any fighter you can pick that can be viewed any way you'd like to interpret it. Marquez isn't American so he doesn't belong on an American monument. No disrespect to him, I wouldn't put an American on a Mexican monument either.

I worded it wrong with Marquez. Sorry. Just someone like his style.

Sure Foreman did mug people when he was young but look how he turned his life around. Shit look at Hopkins raping dudes in jail and now a millionaire even though he's a modern day black panther.

Didn't remember Louis on what he did. Thanks for bringing it up. Can't remember everything with work and all lol.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I wish I can send the pains Mike Tyson felt on that night of June 8, 2002, to anyone who calls Ali a coward because he didn't feel like dying for a country at the time which treated his race like trash.

Mexicans get treated like shit and they still serve. That crap with race being treated like trash is a pathetic excuse.

I'm Mexican American and I've seen racism in what it does first hand growing up in Texas/Georgia. So don't give me that shit.

[Barn]

Ali wouldn't have fought or died for his country. He would have done boxing exhibtions for troop morale and he knew it. You're right though, he was scared. Probably scared of a Sergeant outboxing him.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

it would have to be fighters that changed the game. Jack Johnson, Ali,Joe Luis,Ray Robinson, and if their were five Id have to add Mayweather jr.

[polarcub]

This fantastic guy is a idiot. You called Ali a Coward for not helping a country that at the time treated him like ****.

I don't think you understand the racial instances that happen around the world today in various countries are nothing compared to the 60's in America, nothing. There is still racism around the world, but the mast lynchings and tar and featherings of the 45-60's, pretty much the time period Ali grew up in was insane.

Remember Ali grew up in a EVEN more racist era then that which he boxed.

As bad as the 60's was to the blacks the 50's was even worse. So Ali had deep impressions regarding what the government do and what they don't do.


Anyways this have nothing to do with racism in the 60's or drafts or wars this is a boxing forum. Regardless of what your personal feelings are for those issues. Calling Ali, someone who gave his body and health for the sport, a coward. Is crossing the line. Very very few if any boxers are cowards and Ali is certainitly not one of them. Especially the condition he's in. I know obviously this is a forum and that's what forums do write bull**** and argue. But insulting someone like Ali who loved talking so much but can't even say a word now will offend a lot of boxing fans.


Also saying your a mexican grewing up in Georgia so that give you the right in calling Ali a coward for not wanting to fight for a country which he didn't believe in is ****ing harilous. lol. You are a piece of work, and a special person filled with surreal hatred towards Ali for some reason. I don't know its hard to dissect your hatred of ALi

I know you hate him and I KNOW god damn well it have nothing with Ali dodging the draft. It's something else.

[bose]

John L. Sullivan, Chavez. Sr. , Ali and Joe Luis