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  • #51
    Originally posted by FaustoGeraci View Post
    Leonard lost to Hagler, despite the corruption, and he ducked Pryor like the plague because he would have gotten smashed. He greatly blemished his career with his decisions towards the end of it. He is 12-20 range.
    And Robinson is #1 by a mile, it isn't even close. To suggest number 2 is a remote possibility is disgraceful.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by KnockUTheFukOut View Post
      OK? That is YOUR OPINION and I respect it even though I don't fully agree with it!

      But that is what All Time Rankings Are...OPINIONS! Their is no such thing as a "OFFICIAL ATG LIST" all of those List are just Opinions...some ATG List have Ali #1 others have Robinson or Armstrong #1

      IMO Hopkins is the Highest Rated ATG fighters that is still active! No matter if it took him up until the last few years to finally get the respect and the attention of many...
      Evander Holyfield is still active so Hopkins certainly isn't the greatest fighter active or even close.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by FaustoGeraci View Post
        Leonard lost to Hagler, despite the corruption, and he ducked Pryor like the plague because he would have gotten smashed. He greatly blemished his career with his decisions towards the end of it. He is 12-20 range.
        We can sit here and debate this all day, but I also refuse to say Ray ducked Aaron Pryor. So he was scared to fight Aaron Pryor, but not Duran, Heanrs, or Hagler at f**king MW???

        I respect your opinion though. It's laughable that people have actually voted GOAT for Manny, that's sad. Voting not in the top 100 is equally sad as well though. I don't see why people can't be objective.

        And I agree Robinson is easily top 1 or 2, but if he you do put him number one, no one puts him #1 by a mile. Robinson was great and probably the GOAT, but I feel like some people just say he's #1 because a lot of people already do, without actually watching him fight or looking back into his career. Not saying you of course, just random people.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by FaustoGeraci View Post
          And Robinson is #1 by a mile, it isn't even close. To suggest number 2 is a remote possibility is disgraceful.
          It is quite close.

          Between him, Greb and Langford.

          Not disgraceful at all to rank them above him.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by FaustoGeraci View Post
            Leonard lost to Hagler, despite the corruption, and he ducked Pryor like the plague because he would have gotten smashed. He greatly blemished his career with his decisions towards the end of it. He is 12-20 range.
            Not true at all.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by FaustoGeraci View Post
              Wow. Roy Jones threatened Sugar Ray Robinson's spot? Another delirious guy. With what huge wins? Toney and a green Hopkins? Tarver had his # period, styles make fights, Roy Jones is not top 40.
              Roy Jones fought the #1 and #2 fighters throughout his career. Toney was not only #1 in his division, but #1P4P in all of boxing. It was a HUGE upset whether you think so or not. Hopkins wasn't green. He had been a pro since 1988, took some years off to adjust to MW, and had 5 solid years under his belt when he fought RJJ.

              Carl Froch had 24 wins .. the same amount BHOP had when he fought Roy Jones .. when he faced Jean Pascal. Was he green too? Froch had 25 wins when he entered the Super Six tournament. Was he green then too? Floyd Mayweather had 18 wins when he fought and beat Genaro Hernandez, a HOF with only one loss in his entire career before facing Mayweather. Was Floyd green too?

              Stop with the excuses.

              Had Tarver fought Jones before Jones went to HW Tarver would have been destroyed. There's no doubt about it. You're a fool if you think Tarver had Jones' number.

              I guess that Glenn Johnson just had RJJ's number.

              I guess that Joe Calzaghe just had RJJ's number.

              I guess that Danny Green just had RJJ's number.

              I guess that Denis Lebedev just had RJJ's number.

              Yeah .. that makes a lot of sense. In your mind.

              But since you think you know boxing, let me ask you this:

              What other boxer in ANY division has fought a future HOF in their 22nd fight, moves up a division and fights the current #1P4P fighter in their 27th fight, and then moves up again to unify an entire division(against #1's and 2's) that has all of its belts spread out, and then moves up again 26lbs to capture the most coveted championship in all of boxing, the HW title, and does ALL OF THIS undefeated?

              I await your answer. We'll soon see who the fool is.

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              • #57
                I got pac top 20.

                In the 100 plus year rich history of the sweet science, no fighter has won the flyweight title as well as the Light weight and welterweight title. Add his multiple division titles as well as where he started from 106lbs all the way to 154lbs, Fighter of the decade along with a host of boxing accomplishments and his numerous wins vs hall of fame opponents, legendary wars vs hall of fame opponents and exciting fights that he has given the fans pac is a bona fide ATG legend.

                The only thing left to figure out is how high he goes up on the list and where he will eventually land. If he can secure a fight with floyd beat him then beat off some young up and coming challengers coming from 140 to 147, Pac can reach top 10 if he wants it bad enough which i dont think he does.

                Pac's resume > Floyd's resume.

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                • #58
                  those who voted pac for 1# overall or top 5-10 and those who voted not even top 100, you can expect for your opinion to not be taken seriously anymore in this site.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by FaustoGeraci View Post
                    Leonard lost to Hagler, despite the corruption, and he ducked Pryor like the plague because he would have gotten smashed. He greatly blemished his career with his decisions towards the end of it. He is 12-20 range.
                    People still believe this myth..... Lol

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                    • #60
                      and anybody who thinks ray leonard ducked pryor can also say goodbye to their boxing credibility.

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