If Floyd Was Trying To Duck Martinez

[Walt Liquor]

He doesn't; that's the whole point of this thread.

It's funny because in one breath people like Walt Liquor call Floyd "******", but in the next breath Floyd's the smartest human ever and can predict the future by knowing guys won't accept drug tests; as if Floyd as some kind of psychic hotline or something.

I never ever called floyd ******. He does some dumb shi t with his money and says dumb shi t publicly, but he aint dumb as a businessman. I've said quite a few time that he's been outsmarting manny big time in his choices of opponents in their last 3 fights.

Floyd and his team are pretty saavy actually. Like i said in the other post, he's now trying to pull a power play with the no 50/50 public statements to get what he wants. It may or may not work.

My prob is with fanboys one both sides. These guys are just Playing you for your dough and getting you to pay for fights with predetermined outcomes. They clearly dont give a shi t about boxing or its real fans.

Rarely are people smart in all areas of their lives. I have areas where i *** up, but one of them is not street smarts. I know when im getting hustled andots of you ball huggers have no clue.

Im not one Of those guys who thinks a man is defined by how much money you make.

[Walt Liquor]

The difference is though, I think he see's them as money fights. Just like Pacquiao and several other guy's, Floyd knows that his legacy is secure and he can look at the money at this stage, for better or worse. Alvarez and Cotto bring fan bases and money that Sergio can't, which is an unfortunate situation considering his level of ability. When's the last time Floyd fought someone who didn't bring a large financial upside with them?
Sergio calling those guy's out at first was absolutely fine and was actually an interesting spin. When it became perfectly clear that neither guy was interested though, the calling out every other week did get a little tiring as it was very obviously for nothing and falling on deaf ears.
Either of 'the two' fighting Sergio would be great, for fans and the sport in general, but that's not how they do things sadly. And no, I don't believe any of them would still take the ring if Sergio missed the weight limit, even by half a pound.

all valid points but i disagree with some of it. I mean, floyd is stepping out for money fights but you complain about sergio calling out the biggest money fights one division away from him by far. If you step to other weight classes to cherrypick, you better be ready to get called out by real treats in those weight classes.

Manny is smaller than floyd and has no business at 154.

Why should he stop calling them out if they dont acknowledge him publicly? If you're trying to sell something, you better keep it public. How long did everyone try and get oscar in the ring (vargas, floyd, etc).

And finally, floyd has his hof spot, but his legacy is definitely tainted in many ways at this point.

[gmc_rfc_06]

all valid points but i disagree with some of it. I mean, floyd is stepping out for money fights but you complain about sergio calling out the biggest money fights one division away from him by far. If you step to other weight classes to cherrypick, you better be ready to get called out by real treats in those weight classes.

Manny is smaller than floyd and has no business at 154.

Why should he stop calling them out if they dont acknowledge him publicly? If you're trying to sell something, you better keep it public. How long did everyone try and get oscar in the ring (vargas, floyd, etc).

And finally, floyd has his hof spot, but his legacy is definitely tainted in many ways at this point.

Again though, Floyd has only stepped out twice and they were for MAJOR money. The fight with Oscar was a one-off in the sense that I think he would have gone to any weight for that fight due to the money and attention that comes with fighting Oscar. Oscar was THAT guy.

Now with Cotto he's stepping out for the 3rd biggest draw in the sport, and his 2nd largest pay-day ever. A fight with Sergio would be the biggest money fight for Sergio, but not for Floyd when he could make more money against Miguel or even Alvarez who has a ridiculous fan base for his age.

I respect Manny and Floyd 100% as boxers (also Floyd's business sense) they are tremendous at what they do. However, I believe both would rather take the largest pay-day with the least amount of risk at this stage...that's not Sergio. With that said, I don't think he'll get an opportunity to test himself against either Manny or Floyd.

[Walt Liquor]

Again though, Floyd has only stepped out twice and they were for MAJOR money. The fight with Oscar was a one-off in the sense that I think he would have gone to any weight for that fight due to the money and attention that comes with fighting Oscar. Oscar was THAT guy.

Now with Cotto he's stepping out for the 3rd biggest draw in the sport, and his 2nd largest pay-day ever. A fight with Sergio would be the biggest money fight for Sergio, but not for Floyd when he could make more money against Miguel or even Alvarez who has a ridiculous fan base for his age.

I respect Manny and Floyd 100% as boxers (also Floyd's business sense) they are tremendous at what they do. However, I believe both would rather take the largest pay-day with the least amount of risk at this stage...that's not Sergio. With that said, I don't think he'll get an opportunity to test himself against either Manny or Floyd.

I agree with all of that. Its fine, and true.

I just dont get people shi tting on sergio for trying to fight floyd at 154.

And i hate that floyd lies to everyone and people stay on his nuts. When he came back with his "5 fight plan" to fight the best and he does what he's done. He just makes fools out of fans.

[big red davis]

I agree with all of that. Its fine, and true.

I just dont get people shi tting on sergio for trying to fight floyd at 154.

And i hate that floyd lies to everyone and people stay on his nuts. When he came back with his "5 fight plan" to fight the best and he does what he's done. He just makes fools out of fans.

only one not on the "list" was victor ortiz...shane, cotto, manny were all on the "list" as i remember...could be wrong though...

[eddoes]

If there is a negotiation between two en****** with equal leverage in the negotiation, the easiest way out of the negotiation is to take the negotiation public and slander your opponent. Its guaranteed to get you out of the negotiation. And to save face. If two parties of similar powef negotiate along traditional lines, an agreement will be attained almost every time because of their positioning.

Negotiation from different power positions is vastly different, which is why floyd is starting this ridiculous "no 50/50" nonsense. He's trying to change the perception of his power in the fight negotiation.

Didnt he have the same demands for Cotto? Isnt Cotto accepting less money for bringing in less ppv buys? Why cant Manny accept less when he knows he is a lower ppv draw? Floyd is psychic all of a sudden he know Manny was going to avoid random blood testing. Last I remember Floyd said he has no problem fighting Martinez as long as the money is right so where these ducking allegations coming from? Also Martinez is fighting Matthew so how is Floyd ducking? please elaborate...

[KnockUTheFukOut]

Martinez own Promoter is his Down Fall, his stardom has become bigger with Hardcore Boxing fans, but Casual Boxing Fans have no clue who he is, outside of Boxing Forums...NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT MARTINEZ

and that is the real reason why he is having serious problems landing Mega Fights, if he truly want some big fights right away...THE 168 IS THE DIVISION FOR HIM! Dirrell Brothers, Bute, Ward, Froch, Kessler just to name a few those are all Big Fights

not as big as Mayweather or Pacquiao but still some BIG FIGHTS

[daggum]

wasn't floyd just exposed for lying about the drug tests being the only reason the fight didn't happen? he got people to forget about that already and now they are actually defending his i deserve all the money stance? shows that *****s have no credibility. they will defend everything floyd says even if it contradicts what he just said earlier.

[BoxingGenius27]

wasn't floyd just exposed for lying about the drug tests being the only reason the fight didn't happen? he got people to forget about that already and now they are actually defending his i deserve all the money stance? shows that *****s have no credibility. they will defend everything floyd says even if it contradicts what he just said earlier.

What are you referring too; exposed on drug testing how?

Regarding, who's the bigger star, yes, Floyd is the bigger star.

Lastly, if Floyd contradicts himself, I'll be the first to admit it. But right is right and wrong is wrong. When it comes to drug testing and the financial split, he's right.

[Canelo Phresh]

Why didn't he just agree to fight him at 154, then when the fight was almost finalized, get out of the deal by asking for a drug test?

According to many, this is the new innovative method of ducking a fight.

Heck, why didn't Hatton do the same thing to Witter when Witter was saying he "ducked"? All Hatton had to do is ask for drug tests and he could've made it seem like he wanted the fight, but it didn't go through.

The new way of ducking is asking for drug tests. I'm on to it now.

mayweather asked for the osdt in the beginning of the 09 negotiations and as first excepted then later denied by team pac.