Comments Thread For: Pacquiao, Roach: Discuss Marquez Issues, Fourth Fight

[kamikaze_ero]

I'll say it again, big Manny fan.. But I have watched the 3rd fight numerous times, without any volume and there is now way Manny won that fight! I scored it 117-111, but can see how 4, possibly 5 rounds could be given if you are being extremely generous. BUT there is NO way that Manny won that fight and everyone who watched, other than biased HBO viewers, knows it.

the question is who threw the effective and cleaner punches?????
Just compare the physical damage after their fight.

at the postfight, it was very visible that Marquez face absorbed much of the damage and looked more of a beaten fighter as testament to his swollen face while Pacman face was still fresh.Pacman’s punch is more sharper and accurate as he made Marquez face look like a puppy face of a clown…..

it was Pacman who landed the cleaner punches as he made
Marquez’s face a punching bag(also supported by scientific punch output released by a known boxing authority group Compubox)…its very obvious, even a blind person can touch and feel Marquez’s face before and after the fight
and see the big difference..

what????see Marquez’s bloodied/swollen/puffy/lump/tumor face…Wasn’t it
a big punch?????do you think it caused by a pillow punch or a punch that did
not land??if you says that Pacman never landed a big punch and you saw what damage on Marquez’s face after the fight then what you mean by a big punch will be Marquez will kiss the canvass unconsciously(like Hatton fight outcome).

see and witness the physical damage on both fighters after Pacman-Marquez trilogy…
(pls browse on this page for the photo) boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=529435&page=4
And if it wasn’t for that headbutt Marquez hit Pac with, it doesn’t even look like Pac was in a fight lmao

[LADIV]

pacman vs marquez 4th encounter can still happen at the end of the year;

as to why pacman is fighting bradley, well, in the past pacman been criticized for not fighting african-american, after, mayweather jr didn't give pacman the right to negotiate the percentage of their fight; rejecting pacman's 50-50 and instead simply offered 40m flat.

Pacman is fighting an undefeated bradley; while mayweather jr is fighting a pacman's leftover.

just shut up with the leftover bull**** he's not fighting pac left overs cause if that was the case, pacquiao fought margaritos leftovers and so it continues everybody is everybody's leftovers.think about it

[Brother Jay]

I dont know who these "people" you speak of are. Pac is loved by way many more than any other fighter right now. Is Pac a HOF. Yes he is, and if you deny that then you are just being a hater. Thats like saying Floyd is not a HOF because he never fought the best in their primes as he moved up. Rubbish.

I never claimed those things. You mentioned them to seem like you were dis*****g something that no one was arguing.

Except one thing: Floyd doesn't desire love. He desires intrigue. His PPV numbers show that. People can "love" Manny Pacquiao all they want to. At the end of the day more people are willing to pay to see Floyd. That's the story there.

Now.... just to go down the recent list for gigs.....

1. Shane....that was a BS fight and he deserved all the hate he got for that.

Agreed.

2. Margs....didnt mind the fight as thought would be tough from a physical standpoint regardless if we though Tony didnt deserve it

Marg was caught cheating, and banned. Marg was knocked out and left looking helpless. Also, Marg has NEVER been a force at 154lbs. He was simply a patsy used to give Manny another paper belt and you already know that. It was crap before the bell rung.

3. Clottey....A filler that was needed on the fly. No big fight happens with a couple weeks of promoting

We both know that Clottey was supposed to silence critics who said Manny avoid Black fighters. It didn't. Clottey is about as slick as superglue.

4. Cotto....was the best fight that could be made at the time...why is 145 Pacs fault? Had Oscar beaten Floyd...do you say that Oscar made him come up in weight, and was an unfair fight?

No it would be unfair. Floyd would have tried and failed .. but he would have done so WITHOUT having to drain DLH back to a weight that DLH hadn't fought at in 7 years.

The Cotto/Pacquiao fight was another crap fight because:

1 - Pacquiao could have made the 147lb limit.

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2 - Cotto was coming off a savage beating from Margarito. He fought Jennings for a vacant belt tailor made to be lost to Manny, and Cotto had to get dirty to beat Clottey who was putting a shining on Miguel's ass. He bodyslammed Joshua, for crying out loud!

Cotto clearly hadn't gotten his **** back together by then, and that's why Pacquiao targeted Cotto at that point. He ALWAYS targets the weak fawn during the hunt.

Does this logic only apply when using for a fav fighter?

How was Miguel Cotto the best option? Do you know how many people were willing to fight Pacquiao? This is back when Mayweather, Berto, Williams and Margarito were on top and winning. Pacquiao CHOSE to fight the lesser man.

That how it applies.

5. Oscar....OSCAR CHALLENGED HIM AND WANTED 147!!!!!!

Who cares who challenged who?!?!?

I'll bet you that it wasn't DLH's idea to come in at 145lbs!!!!!!

That was a b!tch move. If you're going to compare yourself to Floyd, you should at least try and match what he did and not just load the deck and pretend you're on a winning streak.

These fights are the ones that have put him in the spotlight on a grand scale. Both him and Floyd became household names once they fought Oscar.

Wrong. Both became accessible to non-fans AFTER they fought DLH. Floyd was already P4P#1. Once Roy Jones fell off, Floyd was the clear heir apparent. Its sure the fcuk wasn't Manny Pacquiao!

Maybe they began to enjoy PPV success, but Floyd was boxing's star prior to his DLH fight. Maybe that's when YOU found out about Floyd and Pacquiao. That's your business.

Fighting JMM 2x, Morales 3x, Barrera 2x, Diaz (good fight at time), Solis, ect....all top fights and the best to be made at the time. So i dont understand where you are coming from when you say "what people are tired of", and "Arum created this illusion" thinking. Im objective and will rip a fighter when he needs to be ripped, but when i see posts like this....how can one not think that the motive is just to promote and egg on the"pro" Floyd crowd?

Well then let me help you understand:

First, Barrera was a decent fight because he was coming off of a win over Morales. We agree.

However, Morales beat Pacquiao by OUTBOXING him!!! Is it a coincidence that before the fight the blood work got lost and Pacquiao had to resubmit a clean sample? And in order to do that, Pacquiao would have to be or at the very least get clean fast enough to submit a clean sample. Did you see his performance?
HE GOT OUTBOXED BY A GUY NOT KNOWN FOR HIS BOXING SKILLS!!!!!!!!!!

Erik Morales is known for his Mexican stand and trade brand of fighting. Yet Pacquiao got outboxed for 12 rounds. Fluke? For maybe the first 3 or 4 rounds.

But 12????

I think not. Then afterwards, Pacquiao came back and blasted Morales in a rematch WITHOUT CHANGING ONE FCUKING THING!!!!

Go watch the fight again. Manny didn't make any adjustments. He simply found some unbelievable energy to overwhelm Morales with the same ole strategy.

JMM arguably beat Pacquiao three times. In the first match, Pacquiao won the first round BIG TIME. JMM came back to teach him a boxing lesson and get a draw.

The second fight was more lopsided than the first. Yet Pacquiao got the nod.

The third was a clear win for JMM and nearly every writer/blogger/pundit went on record to say so. JMM is a better fighter than Manny Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao simply has a better promoter.

Diaz and Solis????? I won't begrudge Manny Pacquiao from having tune ups, but put them in their proper context. They were tune ups ... meaning that they had absolutely no champion quality legacy value whatsoever.

Manny Pacquiao is heavily criticized and for good reason. His efforts at WW have been bull****. He beat some guys at the scales before the match ever happened, and he targeted them ALL of them coming off huge career losses.

Now you might have the desire to argue, but the facts won't support you. Pacquiao had every opportunity to face these men when they were coming off wins, were confident and more importantly ... they WERE RANKED IN THE TOP 3!!! Instead, Manny waited on 6 different occasions for someone else to beat them before he was willing to face them in the ring.

You cannot dispute this.

You also cannot dispute that Manny has attempted to beat several men on the scales as a way of gaining an unfair advantage.

You also cannot dispute that Pacquiao has on several occasions sought vacant titles instead of facing champions for the title. This is how he became the 8 division titlist.

That, my friend, is how it applies.

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a duck.

Don't get upset when people call a duck a duck.

[p4p-champ]

So Manny is concerned with fighting Marquez again because he doesn't want to "Lose the fans". And this is the guy that claims he wants to fight Mayweather? Team Pacquiao is a joke.

[adp023]

They can say whatever they want, they know they are afraid to loose to Marquez,
Marquez it's 1000 times more entrataining than Pernell Withaker and we all know what he did to Chavez!

Manny and Roach if you do not want to fight marquez we understand and for all of us MEXICANS it's a moral victory and it shows who's the best!!!!

Sounds like that fight really affected your pride. But that rationale has to go both ways. So you also need to blame Marquez for never giving Barrera a rematch or avoiding Morales altogether, even now when Morales is way past his prime. Morales-Marquez would be the second biggest fight for Marquez. For the first time ever, Marquez can demand a higher purse than Morales! So why isn't that fight happening???

[kamikaze_ero]

repost..

Floyd vs Cotto good!
Pacman vs Bradley good!
Gamboa vs Rios good!
Juanma vs Salido good!
Ortiz vs Berto good!
Khan vs Peterson good!
Marquez vs Cuenca very bad! what?Who's Cuenca???
All the elite and prospect fighters are pitted against a credible opponents
this year except Marquez who will fight an unknown fighter with 1ko.....
He should have opted to fight either Soto(willing to fight Marquez anytime and anywhere), Rios(who expressed his availability to fight Marquez recently),the "ghost" Guerrero(also challenges Marquez several times) and even Zab Judah...Anyone of them are credible fighter for Marquez next bout than a super feather fisted and unknown fighter in Cuenca...This is the first time in the history of boxing that i could remember that a soon to be Hall of famer will be pitted against an unknown fighter with 1 KO record.... Marquez is going backward......

[Tony B.]

The bar is set too low for Marquez. Idiots still insist that he won the fight just by countering and fighting backwards. He struggled hard against Floyd because he was forced to fight aggressively. Floyd wouldn't let him do the countering.

Pac's handlers really need to tell Pacman that he should be fighting like the champ that he is by staying in one spot, let JMM come in and fight as a challenger and not the other way around. Learn from Floyd who don't give a **** about the paying audience.

You clearly are not familiar with the sport of boxing......lol

[thebaklapacklas]

So Manny is concerned with fighting Marquez again because he doesn't want to "Lose the fans". And this is the guy that claims he wants to fight Mayweather? Team Pacquiao is a joke.

What's even more hilarious is the fact the 'people's champ' doesn't mind losing his fans knowing full well he'll be retired at the hands of Mayweather as long as the Congroidsman can get half of Floyd the fighter, promoter and his own boss money. Ms. Pacman is strictly 'reality T.V. boxing'.

[al-Xander]

Expectations was what skewed the fans regarding the third fight. Everyone believed that Manny was gonna blowout Marquez. When that didn't happen, Marquez fans wanted to give their man more credit than he deserved and Pac fans were just let down.

The fact is Freddie is right. Marquez performed better against Pac in their first two fights than in their third. The compubox numbers favored Marquez in those fights. Pac's knockdowns were the determining factors. Marquez fans and Pac haters are too blind to realize this. Dan Rafael, who scored the first two fights to Marquez, scored the third fight a draw.

If there is a fourth fight, it will have the same result but diminishing returns in terms of action unless one of them is clearly way past his prime.

The ironic thing about it is that these same clowns can't make up their minds about Pac. These are the same clowns, for example, who say Pac is just an overrated boxer who fought weight-drained boxers. He's nothing but an amateurish boxer who fought inferior opponents. And here they are expecting him to fight like he's some kind of superman or something. These clowns are supposed to expect the opposite: Marquez beat an amateurish midget to a pulp and win decisively.

The ******ity abounds in this place. Their logic is always out of whack.

[twosweethooks]

without having read one single post YET, I know the haters have come out.

haters are judging Pac and putting him down because he didn't KO JMM.

I think he should have !!!!!!

I think he has much on his mind. I have seen fighters lose the edge because something was really on their mind.

Pac didn't look right coming to the ring

Pac didn't look right coming to the corner between rounds.

Pac didn't talk right in the interview

I hope he got it straighten out.

Pac didn't lose the JMM fight because he didn't KO JMM,,Pac won the fight:

8 to 4 !

Watch it in slo mo, regular speed without sound , he still brought the fight, pressed the fight and landed the bigger punches.

JMM pot shotted Pac, just like JR will do if they ever fight.

Pac must destroy Bradley

Pac must not be distracted in the JR fight or he will lose.

Pacs new life style will be tested in the Bradley fight.

IF it proves true there he will Kick JR's @$$ if Cotto don't get LUCKY