Steve Smoger had a hand in Devon's Alexander's victory last night !

[snoopymiller]

I say again, I didn't think the clinching was too bad. Infact, if Maidana had been more effective inside there would have been way more holding.

Accept that he was out-performed. Just like DempseyRollin said-> pot-kettle-black. You get the idea.

I can't even decipher what the hell you're getting at.

Of course its about what I think since its my mind that processes the fight. Just like your opinion that you are presenting fact, is just what YOU "think."
Your desperately holding onto the excessive clinching line when it wasn't there, but like I said i'll watch the fight again and decide for myself if it was a massive issue like you are making out.

He didn't clinch more than Khan vs Peterson and that's not what I ment either, that's you jumping to conclusions. I didn't say it was Khan doing the clinching.

Relax. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

All I'm clearly stating is that you stated that Khan-Peterson involved excessive clinching.

I'm saying that the video footage clearly shows Alexander clinching Maidana more in their fight.

This is no "thinking" or opinion based matter in this. It's fact with video to prove it. It was a weak strategy that was allowed to be implemented due to ****ty referees in boxing.

[sicko]

if Smoger is doing the Khan vs Peterson II fight...Then Khan Is SCREWED! Because Smoger allows fighters to fight inside and he tells them out FIGHT OUT

Fans can have it both ways, people B!TCH about Joe Cortez breaking the action too soon, then when a Ref stays the hell out of the way and force the fighters TO FIGHT, then fans B!TCH about the Ref not doing enough

Alexander wasn't the only one holding, Maidana was doing a lot of Holding and Grabbing As Well because Alexander Speed was giving him problems

You could have let Maidana's FATHER Ref that fight...if anything if you take away the Clinching, Alexander probably STOPS MAIDANA!

[Larry the boss]

jesus christ he beat Maidianas ass pillar to post and ya'll are complaining?

[Lostlinka]

My panties are just fine.

I'll try and explain what I ment by my comparison more clearly.

The Khan vs Peterson fight was full of head-bore clinching and back of head rabbit punching, the ref was so poor in dealing with it that Khan resorted to pushing. There was standard clinching in Alexander vs Maidana but they were split swiftly by Smoger. If you've been in a ring before you'll know that clinching is often inevitable.

This is where my take on the fight differs from yours. I see the clinching as being more a sign of Maidanas failure to adapt and test Alexander, than it being a negative tactic from Alexander.

The facts are there but facts can be interpreted differently.

[DARKSEID]

He did fine

[snoopymiller]

My panties are just fine.

I'll try and explain what I ment by my comparison more clearly.

The Khan vs Peterson fight was full of head-bore clinching and back of head rabbit punching, the ref was so poor in dealing with it that Khan resorted to pushing. There was standard clinching in Alexander vs Maidana but they were split swiftly by Smoger. If you've been in a ring before you'll know that clinching is often inevitable.

This is where my take on the fight differs from yours. I see the clinching as being more a sign of Maidanas failure to adapt and test Alexander, than it being a negative tactic from Alexander.

The facts are there but facts can be interpreted differently.

The fact is that I've been in the ring plenty before and work with numerous coaches in my area.

We teach defensive tactics such as slipping, parrying, blocking, proper head movement, footwork, rolling, catching with the seams, bumping with the palms. We don't base our defensive coaching on holding a guy for dear life when he gets close. It's illegal and ruins the entire flow of the sport.

Alexander used holding as his defense which is not only illegal but very boring.

[Lostlinka]

Clinching is part of the sport, it might be negative but it occurs in every fight because it's effective.

It's good you teach the different defensive methods but if your fighting, all the fluffy techniques go out the window. Mix that with coming against a guy like Maidana who only ever goes route 1, then you've got a fight with clinching.

It wasn't excessive and I don't have anything more to say about it.

[LupinIII]

There comes a time when we just need to give credit where its due.

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i like maidana but he got dominated by Devon last night

[snoopymiller]

Clinching is part of the sport, it might be negative but it occurs in every fight because it's effective.

It's good you teach the different defensive methods but if your fighting all the fluffy techniques go out the window. Mix that with coming against a guy like Maidana who only ever goes route 1, then you've got a fight with clinching.

It wasn't excessive and I don't have anything more to say about it.

Clinching occurs but it's different when it happens by chance of tangling up two fighters that want to fight rather than one guy looking to hold a guy as soon as he gets close.

These techniques sure as hell aren't "fluffy". They are the skills used by real warriors and true skilled fighters such as Mayweather and Marquez. These guys don't clinch so they can inflict more damage with both hands. That's REAL fighting.

You said that Khan-Peterson was excessive which it was and Alexander was even worse in this fight with Maidana.

[bose]

I just finished seeing the fight specificly because of this thread. And i have to aggree that Steve Smoger was paid off. His refing was very bad and at the end of the fight i heard Foreman yeall, "no chesse on your chesseburger, Smoger!"

Alexander should have gotten points taken away for so much holding. But, it was a tactic that worked for him. And i wouldn't be surprised if he got this idea from Shane Mosley as Mosley did the same to Margarito.

So much holding...and Alexander won the fight with the holding makes you really think just how effective the old timers were. Fighters of the old age used a lot of hold hit (not all) and i have to say they would hang with these fighters today.

Alexander got a good win, and we will see him hold and hit from now on as he shown its effective for him (rematch different ref, different fighter wins).