The pfp #1 spot.

[CHOWWOKKA]

its p4p not fighter of the year
mannys the man right now end of story
floyd cany fight once a year
to be the man u gotta beat the man
or wait till he retires

Nobody is debating whether Floyd is number 1 or not so.......... HUH?

[illwill112]

There's no other instance in history when the P4P.1 lost his last fight.

I'd go Mayweather personally. Although Marquez won he didn't officially so that would be hard to make sense of as well.

ROFL who lost. Last i checked the record books says Pac Won. If your opinions and *****s counted then FLoyd really has 1 loss, because many people will tell you CASTILLO BEAT HIM the first time.

If FLoyd had fight wasnt on Vacation i might be inclined to agree. Fact is he was on vacation and came back with a sucker punch TKO. YEah that is P4P1. Some of you people kill me. Leave the FANBOI **** alone already.

[PAC-BOY]

Yes Bushbaby made the comparison of a Supermiddleweight to a welterweights and you said it doesn't matter because of the weight division. If you arent bright enough to know that is a p4p comparision then I dont know what to tell you, EVEN THE THREAD TITLE SAYS PFP #1. I understand you need someone to take your hand before you cross the street but this is just sad. I would go harder on you but Bombs asked me to stop picking on you, so lets just say class dismissed ^_^

again you didnt read the threads. Youre only making ignorant assumptions because that all you know how to do. heheheheee So you think two years is enough nooooo Two fights is enough to spring someone into P4P#1 spot...hehheeee you just as sad as B!tchBaby! hehehehehe I said since you cant read to well...he thought two fights in last two years meant something because the opposition P4P were better than the WW division. You see the more you type the dumber you look please go on....You jumped in a conversation in the blind and now youre trying to save your face...damage control ....heheheheeee owned you again!
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[CHOWWOKKA]

again you didnt read the threads. Youre only making ignorant assumptions because that all you know how to do. heheheheee So you think two years is enough nooooo Two fights is enough to spring someone into P4P#1 spot...hehheeee you just as sad as B!tchBaby! hehehehehe I said since you cant read to well...he thought two fights in last two years meant something because the opposition P4P were better than the WW division. You see the more you type the dumber you look please go on....You jumped in a conversation in the blind and now youre trying to save your face...damage control ....heheheheeee owned you again!
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Yea.... didn't read bored now.... I'll let you have the last word since you need all the moral "ups" you can get. Chalk this up as a victory if you want. I would make fun of you for having a social disorder and chronic acne, but again Bombs asked me to be nice to you. I do however recommend Clearasil/suicide. Cool avi BTW Ward>Pac.

[PAC-BOY]

Yea.... didn't read bored now.... I'll let you have the last word since you need all the moral "ups" you can get. Chalk this up as a victory if you want. I would make fun of you for having a social disorder and chronic acne, but again Bombs asked me to be nice to you. I do however recommend Clearasil/suicide. Cool avi BTW Ward>Pac.

I love you too!

[nicamarvin]

1) Manny Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KO)
Age: 32
Current Title: WBO Welterweight/147 lbs. (2009-Present, 3 Defenses)
Lineal World Championships: World Flyweight/112 lbs. (1998-99, 1 Defense); World Featherweight/126 lbs. (2003-2005, 2 Defenses); World Jr. Lightweight/130 lbs. champion (2008); World Junior Welterweight (2009-10)
Additional Titles: WBC Flyweight (1998-99, 1 Defense); IBF Jr. Featherweight/122 lbs (2001-03, 4 Defenses); Ring Magazine Featherweight (2003-05, 2 Defenses); Ring/WBC Jr. Lightweight (2008) WBC Lightweight/135 lbs. (2008); Ring Jr. Welterweight (2009-10); WBC Jr. Middleweight/154 lbs. (2010-11)
Record in Title Fights: 16-1-2, 11 KO, 1 KOBY (Overall); 6-1-1, 5 KO, 1 KOBY (Lineal Only)
Last Five Opponents: Juan Manuel Marquez (MD12), Shane Mosley (UD12), Antonio Margarito (UD12), Joshua Clottey (UD12), Miguel Cotto (TKO12)

Next Opponent: TBA

The Take: Much has been made of the closeness of the Marquez fight, with debate still raging about who fans and pundits thought won (if they didn’t score it even). Comparing only how Pacquiao has done with Marquez in three tremendous fights versus a Mayweather who dominated Marquez, Mayweather has the edge. Pacquiao for now maintains the top spot because there’s more to his resume than Marquez and because how each did with Marquez is no firm indication of how Pacquiao-Mayweather would go.

this is all I have to say about this...

I love how crazed people get over opinions.

wrong....

Mayweather is supperior to Pac because has never been knock down by a Jab..



mayweather is supperior to pac because they both fought Marquez but only one showed a boxing superiority beyond all doubts, but the other(Pac) has fought the same guy 3 times already(last time was to an older 38 old marquez) and still can´t beat him beat him soundly

here ya go..

[The Gambler1981]

It depends on how you take into account longevity, really you dont have to take it into account at all but pretty much all P4P ratings do it is why certain guys hang onto spots for so long when really they don't belong in a list of the sports best.

If you make a list of who is the best fighter right now regardless of weight there is no way to have Manny number one, Floyd would be tough to have there also but at least he has looked the part, it probably would have to be Ward but it is all opinion anyways and people have different criteria.

[WESS]

1) Manny Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KO)
Age: 32
Current Title: WBO Welterweight/147 lbs. (2009-Present, 3 Defenses)
Lineal World Championships: World Flyweight/112 lbs. (1998-99, 1 Defense); World Featherweight/126 lbs. (2003-2005, 2 Defenses); World Jr. Lightweight/130 lbs. champion (2008); World Junior Welterweight (2009-10)
Additional Titles: WBC Flyweight (1998-99, 1 Defense); IBF Jr. Featherweight/122 lbs (2001-03, 4 Defenses); Ring Magazine Featherweight (2003-05, 2 Defenses); Ring/WBC Jr. Lightweight (2008) WBC Lightweight/135 lbs. (2008); Ring Jr. Welterweight (2009-10); WBC Jr. Middleweight/154 lbs. (2010-11)
Record in Title Fights: 16-1-2, 11 KO, 1 KOBY (Overall); 6-1-1, 5 KO, 1 KOBY (Lineal Only)
Last Five Opponents: Juan Manuel Marquez (MD12), Shane Mosley (UD12), Antonio Margarito (UD12), Joshua Clottey (UD12), Miguel Cotto (TKO12)

Next Opponent: TBA

The Take: Much has been made of the closeness of the Marquez fight, with debate still raging about who fans and pundits thought won (if they didn’t score it even). Comparing only how Pacquiao has done with Marquez in three tremendous fights versus a Mayweather who dominated Marquez, Mayweather has the edge. Pacquiao for now maintains the top spot because there’s more to his resume than Marquez and because how each did with Marquez is no firm indication of how Pacquiao-Mayweather would go. Since Mayweather’s win over Ricky Hatton in 2007, he’s been in various states of retirement and vacation more than in the ring, going 3-0 with one knockout. In the same span, Pacquiao is 9-0, was more impressive versus both De La Hoya and Hatton than Mayweather, and picked up three wins (Clottey, Margarito, and Cotto) that vastly outpace Mayweather’s Ortiz win. It’s more than enough to hold the top slot for now and, hopefully, an actual fight is coming in 2012 to settle the issue once and for all


I gotta be honest here, the reasoning sucks.

1. Theres more to his resume than Marquez. PFP is a yearly ranking, not resume based.

2. Pacman was indeed more impressive over DLH. But which DLH was the better fighter? Floyd's was a champ at a healthy weight. Manny's was half dead taking IV on fightnight.

3. Pacman's win over Hatton was more impressive, but he was ko'd before.

4. I guess 1 could agrue that Pacman's 3 wins over Clottey, Margarito & Cotto are better than Floyd's over Ortiz, (if you combine them). But single handedly floyd's wins over Marquez, Mosley & Ortiz absolutely bosses on Pacman's 3 wins of Cotto-Margarito & Marquez all at mannyweight. Thats a fact btw, (the mannyweight part).

5. I think it's a laughable excuse to hold the #1 spot. Pacman's last 2 years were trash & undeserving of top pfp those years because resume should not define yearly pfp.

I totally agree as Pac has been living off his win over a catchweight Cotto fight back in 2009.

It's 2012, absolutely NOTHING Pac has done since 2009 justifies him staying at #1. Especially when there are fighters like Ward, Mayweather, Martinez, JMM, Donair, Klit, Hopkins.

[Bushbaby]

I totally agree as Pac has been living off his win over a catchweight Cotto fight back in 2009.

It's 2012, absolutely NOTHING Pac has done since 2009 justifies him staying at #1. Especially when there are fighters like Ward, Mayweather, Martinez, JMM, Donair, Klit, Hopkins.

Exactly, there are people that say you have to beat the man higher to take his spot, that's a lie. Martinez has lost his spot on many pfp lists. Even though he's riding a hot ko streak.

Yeah he struggled in his last fight, however, he stopped his man, ko'd him knocked him out. Meanwhile Pacman by contrast got a boxing lesson, went 12 rounds, hung his head & got awarded the years biggest robbery.

Ward has climbed the pfp list. Fighters lose their place all the time. Resume is used for atg status not pfp which is subject to change in a heart beat. PFP is just an opinion, however all the top ones are just plain biased.

Who the hell in there right mind can really say the version of Oscar that Pacman fought is greater than the champion level no mannyweight needed version that Floyd fought. There really is no comparison except that the name Oscar was the same thats it. 1 was 145 & had iv's on fight night. While the other was a healthy champ.

Even Miguel Cotto sets them apart. Pacman has never beaten Cotto without mannyweight & he still won't fight the man while he's healthy. That (FACT) tells me all I need to know.

[WESS]

Exactly, there are people that say you have to beat the man higher to take his spot, that's a lie. Martinez has lost his spot on many pfp lists. Even though he's riding a hot ko streak.

Yeah he struggled in his last fight, however, he stopped his man, ko'd him knocked him out. Meanwhile Pacman by contrast got a boxing lesson, went 12 rounds, hung his head & got awarded the years biggest robbery.

Ward has climbed the pfp list. Fighters lose their place all the time. Resume is used for atg status not pfp which is subject to change in a heart beat. PFP is just an opinion, however all the top ones are just plain biased.

Who the hell in there right mind can really say the version of Oscar that Pacman fought is greater than the champion level no mannyweight needed version that Floyd fought. There really is no comparison except that the name Oscar was the same thats it. 1 was 145 & had iv's on fight night. While the other was a healthy champ.

Even Miguel Cotto sets them apart. Pacman has never beaten Cotto without mannyweight & he still won't fight the man while he's healthy. That (FACT) tells me all I need to know.

I see your points, however the fact remains that Pac is living off a 2009 victory. Nothing more, nothing less and Pac in no way shape or form deserves to be #1.

Would be funny if Mayweather was moved up to #1 if he beats Cotto.