[NEW VIDEO] shows best angle: Haye throws left hook, then straight right.

[deliveryman]

Cops are instructed to use force if they feel threatened. They don't have ot wait until somebody strikes them first to my knowledge. If that's proper self defense instruction is good enough for cops then it's good and justified for anybody.

That`s not how self defense is defined.

Self defense in laymen terms is the LAST RESORT of an UNAVOIDABLE SITUATION.

What David did was NEITHER.

Knowing well in advance that this person wants to start something with you, but you decide to show up to the scene anyway is not avoiding the situation. Furthermore, there were hundreds of people in there to intervene, if David felt truly felt threatened (and actually didn`t want to just punch him in the face because he was angry), he could of EASILY walked away. All he would of had to say was `Get this lunatic away from me, Im not fighting anyone`

Bottom line: If David didn`t want to fight, he didn`t have to.

He was looking for a fight and he threw the first punch.

[PlayerKiller]

And that`s why 99% of the prison population shares you mentality!

Go get em!

I am sorry but I am not a trouble maker or a criminal. I am someone who understands when trouble is coming, and if it means a fight, I always attack first. From experience, surprise attacks or the first hit is a key to a good start.

Chisora has been in trouble for picking up a girlfriend and spanking her in public, he has bitten a fighters ear at a weigh in and slapped Vitali.

He is mentally unstable. Haye did the right thing and should not have walked away. There was no need for him to walm away. Chisora walked to Haye, and with his bad attitude, Haye did what he felt was needed.

Chisora is 4 loses in a row.

I agree walking away would have meant no brawl, but Haye was not the aggressor when it came to being face to face. Chisora should not have said he will slap Haye and beat him up on the street a few days a go.

[Mr.0pal]

That`s not how self defense is defined.

Self defense in laymen terms is the LAST RESORT of an UNAVOIDABLE SITUATION.

What David did was NEITHER.

How do you know it was avoidable? Chisora and his whole crew could have easily chased Haye down if he tried to run. Had Haye just stood there he was going to be attacked, and that's based on Chisora's history (history being something that even the courts take into consideration). Haye was justified completely and he has the right to go wherever he wants. His aim was clearly to get a fight with Vitali. Self defense. I don't give a hot splat of fudge what definition you can find.

[deliveryman]

I am sorry but I am not a trouble maker or a criminal. I am someone who understands when trouble is coming, and if it means a fight, I always attack first. From experience, surprise attacks or the first hit is a key to a good start.

Chisora has been in trouble for picking up a girlfriend and spanking her in public, he has bitten a fighters ear at a weigh in and slapped Vitali.

He is mentally unstable. Haye did the right thing and should not have walked away. There was no need for him to walm away. Chisora walked to Haye, and with his bad attitude, Haye did what he felt was needed.

Chisora is 4 loses in a row.

I agree walking away would have meant no brawl, but Haye was not the aggressor when it came to being face to face. Chisora should not have said he will slap Haye and beat him up on the street a few days a go.

Thats not self-defense then is it... Nor is it Davids job to enforce an attitude adjustment.

[PlayerKiller]

How do you know it was avoidable? Chisora and his whole crew could have easily chased Haye down if he tried to run. Had Haye just stood there he was going to be attacked, and that's based on Chisora's history (history being something that even the courts take into consideration). Haye was justified completely and he has the right to go wherever he wants. His aim was clearly to get a fight with Vitali. Self defense. I don't give a hot splat of fudge what definition you can find.

You're a *** but I agree with you here.

3 men walk up to you shouting run Haye with their attitude is fairly aggressive already, and verbal words of threats were said, you got to fight or be jumped.

Haye instead of letting himself get surrounded and jumped, smashed 2 mans up.

[rich6666]

That`s not how self defense is defined.

Self defense in laymen terms is the LAST RESORT of an UNAVOIDABLE SITUATION.

What David did was NEITHER.

Knowing well in advance that this person wants to start something with you, but you decide to show up to the scene anyway is not avoiding the situation. Furthermore, there were hundreds of people in there to intervene, if David felt truly felt threatened (and actually didn`t want to just punch him in the face because he was angry), he could of EASILY walked away. All he would of had to say was `Get this lunatic away from me, Im not fighting anyone`

Bottom line: If David didn`t want to fight, he didn`t have to.

He was looking for a fight and he threw the first punch.

you are wrong

[frosty-g]

How do you know it was avoidable? Chisora and his whole crew could have easily chased Haye down if he tried to run. Had Haye just stood there he was going to be attacked, and that's based on Chisora's history (history being something that even the courts take into consideration). Haye was justified completely and he has the right to go wherever he wants. His aim was clearly to get a fight with Vitali. Self defense. I don't give a hot splat of fudge what definition you can find.

1) have you SEEN haye run before, no chance anyone would catch the ****er
2) does he REALLY have that right?!
3) very mature and objective of you

[PlayerKiller]

Thats not self-defense then is it... Nor is it Davids job to enforce an attitude adjustment.

Even if it is not classified as self defence, Haye did the right thing other than walking away, which he wouldn't do.

Haye is a man, a heavy weight boxer, to shout to him to run is not going to work. Walking up to him after saying you will slap him is at your own risk as Chisora soon realised.

Chisora is lucky that Haye never held a tri pod before.

[Weebler I]

How do you know it was avoidable? Chisora and his whole crew could have easily chased Haye down if he tried to run. Had Haye just stood there he was going to be attacked, and that's based on Chisora's history (history being something that even the courts take into consideration). Haye was justified completely and he has the right to go wherever he wants. His aim was clearly to get a fight with Vitali. Self defense. I don't give a hot splat of fudge what definition you can find.

If there's a way to escape available for you you're bound by law (well, certain US state law) to try to do it before partaking in an altercation (e.g. if the opportunity to run out the door was there, you should do it).

[deliveryman]

you are wrong

I yield to your earth-shattering rebuttal.