Where would a Chisora win rank in ALL TIME UPSETS???

[-Kev-]

Chisora isn't ranked though.

He's a novice with less than 20 fights under his belt, early defeats coming to fellow prospects Tyson Fury and Robert Helenius. Maybe novice is a strong word to use, but he's not a contender in this division at the moment and lacks any experience against tested heavyweight fighters.

He has no amateur pedigree or visible potential to be anything in the division. I think it's a huge shock if Chisora pulls off the win.

Helenius is #6 according to The Ring, Chisora beat him, he should be top 10. But was robbed, and of course, The Ring honors the judges decisions.

It's like Pac losing to Marquez, and still kept his #1 P4P spot when it's a strait up lie that he's the best P4P fighter in the world. Like it's a lie that Helenius is #6 and Chisora is not even there.

Chisora is top 10.

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But compare pre-Lewis Rahman to pre-Vitali Chisora. Rahman has a good amount of fights for experience, has some solid names on his resume - What does Chisora have?

Oh, I hear you. I was just commenting on how the oddsmakers had it at the time. This would be closer to Leon Spinks beating Ali. Spinks was 6-0-1 when he fought Ali and had only been a pro for one year.

Chisora's got more experience than that. I think his fights with Fury and Helenius helped him prepare for this.

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Chisora's got more experience than that. I think his fights with Fury and Helenius helped him prepare for this.

As much as they could, I agree. Fighting the height won't feel new. How he deals with tactics will determine whether he can make a go.

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As much as they could, I agree. Fighting the height won't feel new. How he deals with tactics will determine whether he can make a go.

That's true.

Also, while Spinks had less experience than Chisora does now, Vitali Klitschko is a more dominant fighter than Ali was when Spinks beat him. Ali had a number of close calls before the Spinks fight - with Young and Norton. Even Shavers rattled him in the fight before Spinks. Klitschko has had pretty smooth sailing since he returned to the ring.

But I think Chisora's hand speed can give Vitali trouble. I hope it's a great fight.

Oh, I left off Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes I on that heavyweight upset list.

I could see Chisora flurrying like Michael Spinks did against Larry and rattling Vitali.

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That's true.

Also, while Spinks had less experience than Chisora does now, Vitali Klitschko is a more dominant fighter than Ali was when Spinks beat him. Ali had a number of close calls before the Spinks fight - with Young and Norton. Even Shavers rattled him in the fight before Spinks. Klitschko has had pretty smooth sailing since he returned to the ring.

But I think Chisora's hand speed can give Vitali trouble. I hope it's a great fight.

Ali spent a huge chunk of the 70s ****ing off in training. Vitali never does that. He also had four years off in his 30s which helps keep him fresh now. Vitali has also only had one or two really tough fights (and only a handful of passable opponents) in his whole career. That can't hurt.

[D-MiZe]

Helenius is #6 according to The Ring, Chisora beat him, he should be top 10. But was robbed, and of course, The Ring honors the judges decisions.

It's like Pac losing to Marquez, and still kept his #1 P4P spot when it's a strait up lie that he's the best P4P fighter in the world. Like it's a lie that Helenius is #6 and Chisora is not even there.

Chisora is top 10.

Chisora is not top 10.

He has a victory over a stiff, heavy handed Helenius who started off his professional career in style and has racked up a nice amount of victories over good heavyweight opposition. But styles make fights and Chisora managed to walk inside of Helenius way too easy.

Take Helenius out of the equation and who has Chisora proven himself against? Well he lost against Tyson Fury, albeit he was in bad shape - but it's still a loss. His two best wins are over a shot Danny Williams and Sam Sexton both of whom reside at domestic level.

It's not as black and white as looking at rankings and getting all the information you need about fighters from that.

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Ali spent a huge chunk of the 70s ****ing off in training. Vitali never does that. He also had four years off in his 30s which helps keep him fresh now. Vitali has also only had one or two really tough fights (and only a handful of passable opponents) in his whole career. That can't hurt.

Yeah. Vitali's never had the weight issues Ali had late in his career. Vitali's a naturally lean guy.

But as far as training for this fight goes, I saw a video on YouTube of the Klitschko brothers training. Granted, it was clearly a light workout. They were just going through the paces. But Wlad looks ripped and strong (and in comparison very young) while Vitali looks more like Wlad's trainer than a fighter himself. I was kind of surprised how old Vitali looked in this.

Did you see it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwaMHyj_BJI

[D-MiZe]

Chisora's got more experience than that. I think his fights with Fury and Helenius helped him prepare for this.

I still think Spinks' amateur experience/credentials account for a lot.

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Chisora is not top 10.

He has a victory over a stiff, heavy handed Helenius who started off his professional career in style and has racked up a nice amount of victories over good heavyweight opposition. But styles make fights and Chisora managed to walk inside of Helenius way too easy.

Take Helenius out of the equation and who has Chisora proven himself against? Well he lost against Tyson Fury, albeit he was in bad shape - but it's still a loss. His two best wins are over a shot Danny Williams and Sam Sexton both of whom reside at domestic level.

It's not as black and white as looking at rankings and getting all the information you need about fighters from that.

I think Chisora qualifies as top ten but just barely. I mean, who really qualifies below a select few? Dimitrenko? Boytsov? Arreola? None have a single win as good as Helenius would have been.

Yeah. Vitali's never had the weight issues Ali had late in his career. Vitali's a naturally lean guy.

But as far as training for this fight goes, I saw a video on YouTube of the Klitschko brothers training. Granted, it was clearly a light workout. They were just going through the paces. But Wlad looks ripped and strong (and in comparison very young) while Vitali looks more like Wlad's trainer than a fighter himself. I was kind of surprised how old Vitali looked in this.

Did you see it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwaMHyj_BJI

Had not but see what you mean in checking as glimpse. I'm still waiting to be seriously convinced today can be anything more than a little bit of fun (i.e. a serious fight). I see the ingredients. Just don't know if Chisora really knows how to cook up the batch yet.

[-Kev-]

Chisora is not top 10.

He has a victory over a stiff, heavy handed Helenius who started off his professional career in style and has racked up a nice amount of victories over good heavyweight opposition. But styles make fights and Chisora managed to walk inside of Helenius way too easy.

Take Helenius out of the equation and who has Chisora proven himself against? Well he lost against Tyson Fury, albeit he was in bad shape - but it's still a loss. His two best wins are over a shot Danny Williams and Sam Sexton both of whom reside at domestic level.

It's not as black and white as looking at rankings and getting all the information you need about fighters from that.

It's not that a big of a deal to me if Chisora wins. All of this talk about an upset is really for nothing anyways.