sergio Martinez is the most overrated boxer right now

[FeFist]

why would you have him ahead of Martinez

If they were the same size, I would favor Bradley's style over Martinez. Ability wise I am unimpressed by Martinez, I feel that a technical boxer that is similar to him in size would expose his flaws.

In terms of resume, they're not that far apart. People just blow it out of proportion due to the KO over Williams.

[Bushbaby]

GeniUs, without the o.

Not very fair to criticize Pacquiao or Mayweather for not fight Sergio. That's like saying Sergio is scared to move up and fight Ward or Dawson.

Martinez offered to meet them at 154, all 3 were champions there. That's a fact. How is that the same as Martinez climbing a division or 2. Middleweight is the highest that he has fought. He has never won a title or had a fight at 168 or 174.

[turbotime]

Martinez offered to meet them at 154, all 3 were champions there. That's a fact. How is that the same as Martinez climbing a division or 2. Middleweight is the highest that he has fought. He has never won a title or had a fight at 168 or 174.

It's not about being scared to fight him, it's about money. If Floyd was the money maker at 168 you know damned well Martinez would move up for the fight. He's money hungry for a shot at the little guys, nothing more.

And if Martinez brought in Oscar-type money, hell, even Cotto money, I don't see why they wouldn't move up and fight him. He don't, though.

[Bushbaby]

It's not about being scared to fight him, it's about money. If Floyd was the money maker at 168 you know damned well Martinez would move up for the fight. He's money hungry for a shot at the little guys, nothing more.

And if Martinez brought in Oscar-type money, hell, even Cotto money, I don't see why they wouldn't move up and fight him. He don't, though.

Yeah, I guess Clottey & Ortiz brought in the dough huh. Had either ever headlined a ppv card before??

[FeFist]

Martinez offered to meet them at 154, all 3 were champions there. That's a fact. How is that the same as Martinez climbing a division or 2. Middleweight is the highest that he has fought. He has never won a title or had a fight at 168 or 174.

When Floyd fought De La Hoya he had never won a title at 154lb, when Roy Jones fought Ruiz, he had never fought or held at a heavyweight title.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say people set the bar low for Martinez. At some point both Mayweather and Pacquiao had to climb north of their preferred division in order to enhance their resume and get the big bucks why do you feel Martinez is exempt from taking the risk that Mayweather, Pacquiao and countless over fighters have taken?

If he is truly the best, truly the people's champ, then he should snap at the opportunity to cement his legacy which fighting some of the guys at Super Middleweight would do.

This is why I'm starting to build a dislike towards the guy, he is drastically overrated and no one calls him out on his bull****.

[HeroBando]

Martinez offered to meet them at 154, all 3 were champions there. That's a fact. How is that the same as Martinez climbing a division or 2. Middleweight is the highest that he has fought. He has never won a title or had a fight at 168 or 174.

And both guys were lighter than an average LWW on fightnight in their sole JMW bout. Both money/vanity fights, kinda like RJJ fighting Ruiz. Or do you think RJJ should have been behind Lewis p4p cause he was unwilling to fight him while holding a HW belt (at the same time!)?

[turbotime]

Yeah, I guess Clottey & Ortiz brought in the dough huh. Had either ever headlined a ppv card before??

So now they can't fight guys in their own division? Ortiz was a fight against a fellow champion at that. I'm still waiting on Martinez to do that, too.

[Bushbaby]

When Floyd fought De La Hoya he had never won a title at 154lb, when Roy Jones fought Ruiz, he had never fought or held at a heavyweight title.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say people set the bar low for Martinez. At some point both Mayweather and Pacquiao had to climb north of their preferred division in order to enhance their resume and get the big bucks why do you feel Martinez is exempt from taking the risk that Mayweather, Pacquiao and countless over fighters have taken?

If he is truly the best, truly the people's champ, then he should snap at the opportunity to cement his legacy which fighting some of the guys at Super Middleweight would do.

This is why I'm starting to build a dislike towards the guy, he is drastically overrated and no one calls him out on his bull****.

I'm actually tired of his whinning myself. However he himself was cherrypicked by the lineal middleweight champ when he beat Pavliks a$$.

But on a serious note, Pacman, Floyd & Martinez average top 3 pfp on many lists. All have been champ at 154. Yet they have never fought each other. Out of all 3, there is only one that we all can agree, would fight the other 2, right or wrong??

[turbotime]

When Floyd fought De La Hoya he had never won a title at 154lb, when Roy Jones fought Ruiz, he had never fought or held at a heavyweight title.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say people set the bar low for Martinez. At some point both Mayweather and Pacquiao had to climb north of their preferred division in order to enhance their resume and get the big bucks why do you feel Martinez is exempt from taking the risk that Mayweather, Pacquiao and countless over fighters have taken?

If he is truly the best, truly the people's champ, then he should snap at the opportunity to cement his legacy which fighting some of the guys at Super Middleweight would do.

This is why I'm starting to build a dislike towards the guy, he is drastically overrated and no one calls him out on his bull****.

Quoted for Truth.

[Bushbaby]

So now they can't fight guys in their own division? Ortiz was a fight against a fellow champion at that. I'm still waiting on Martinez to do that, too.

Who said that? You brought up money draws. I simply pointed out that Floyd & Manny have sold ppv's on there own, so your drawing power excuse had no base.