sergio Martinez is the most overrated boxer right now

[turbotime]

I'm actually tired of his whinning myself. However he himself was cherrypicked by the lineal middleweight champ when he beat Pavliks a$$.

But on a serious note, Pacman, Floyd & Martinez average top 3 pfp on many lists. All have been champ at 154. Yet they have never fought each other. Out of all 3, there is only one that we all can agree, would fight the other 2, right or wrong??

Floyd answered the media that he said he'd fight Martinez, though. He was focused on getting the Pacquiao fight first though.

[turbotime]

Who said that? You brought up money draws. I simply pointed out that Floyd & Manny have sold ppv's on there own, so your drawing power excuse had no base.

Yes it does, their reasons for moving up heavily involved money. NOW however they are able to fight within their comfortable division and make around 30 million at one time. No need to move up.

[Bushbaby]

Floyd answered the media that he said he'd fight Martinez, though. He was focused on getting the Pacquiao fight first though.

Uhh he's fighting Cotto & at 154 to boot.

[turbotime]

Uhh he's fighting Cotto & at 154 to boot.

He was the only person free pretty much.

[Bushbaby]

He was the only person free pretty much.

I have no problems with the fight. I just feel that calling 1 pfp fighter overrated but having someone else say that in the last 15 years no one could beat Floyd between 140-154 is far more overrating.

Furthermore Pacman hasn't beaten an impressive fighter since Clottey. (Which I believe was his greatest welterweight win). He's held his spot far too long by beating guys like Margarito & Mosley & arguably losing to Marquez.

[turbotime]

I have no problems with the fight. I just feel that calling 1 pfp fighter overrated but having someone else say that in the last 15 years no one could beat Floyd between 140-154 is far more overrating.

Furthermore Pacman hasn't beaten an impressive fighter since Clottey. (Which I believe was his greatest welterweight win). He's held his spot far too long by beating guys like Margarito & Mosley & arguably losing to Marquez.

I have never said any of the above. I can choose a lot that have a great chance of beating Floyd at 140-154 in the last 15 years, Martinez included.

[FeFist]

I'm actually tired of his whinning myself. However he himself was cherrypicked by the lineal middleweight champ when he beat Pavliks a$$.

But on a serious note, Pacman, Floyd & Martinez average top 3 pfp on many lists. All have been champ at 154. Yet they have never fought each other. Out of all 3, there is only one that we all can agree, would fight the other 2, right or wrong??

There is a difference between being champ at 154lb and campaigning in the division. Roy Jones Jr was the heavyweight champ but if he was in his prime now would people expect him to fight the lacks of Wlad and Vitali? Would people match him against past heavyweight greats such as Ali, Tyson, and Foreman? No, because he is not a heavyweight.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are not Jr Middleweights they are Welterweights who have dipped their toes in the division for the right price and opponent. This applies to Pacquiao more so than Mayweather, Mayweather was able to beat a legitimate opponent in the weight division so at the least you can argue that he would be competitive against the best the division has to offer.

Do you honestly believe Pacquiao would be competitive against someone like Winky Wright? He put a one sided beating on Margarito ( who at that point in time was a glorified journey man) and still came out war torn. Sergio Martinez himself admitted that because of Pacquiao's size he would not fight him and people claimed he was honorable for not picking a fight with the smaller man. How times have changed.
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If Sergio wants money, if Sergio wants money climb a division. Because many years have passed people forget that Mayweather and Pacquiao did just that when they were making a name for themselves. It just goes to show how ungrateful boxing fans are and how the ''What have you done for me lately'' caters towards the disease running rampant in the sport. What incentive is their for younger fighters to jump in the deep end of the pool when they know that at age 30, ages 22-29 will be forgotten providing they knock out the right opponent.

[Bushbaby]

I have never said any of the above. I can choose a lot that have a great chance of beating Floyd at 140-154 in the last 15 years, Martinez included.

I never said You said it. My point is that everyone gets overrated. But some preffer to dish out passes & make crazy claims. Hell right now I have a new found belief that Chavez due to his size might just give Martinez the business.

However there are 3 top 5 pfp fighters still capable of fighting at or around 154 & there is only 1 of them willing to do it & thats Martinez.

[Bushbaby]

There is a difference between being champ at 154lb and campaigning in the division. Roy Jones Jr was the heavyweight champ but if he was in his prime now would people expect him to fight the lacks of Wlad and Vitali? Would people match him against past heavyweight greats such as Ali, Tyson, and Foreman? No, because he is not a heavyweight.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are not Jr Middleweights they are Welterweights who have dipped their toes in the division for the right price and opponent. This applies to Pacquiao more so than Mayweather, Mayweather was able to beat a legitimate opponent in the weight division so at the least you can argue that he would be competitive against the best the division has to offer.

Do you honestly believe Pacquiao would be competitive against someone like Winky Wright? He put a one sided beating on Margarito ( who at that point in time was a glorified journey man) and still came out war torn. Sergio Martinez himself admitted that because of Pacquiao's size he would not fight him and people claimed he was honorable for not picking a fight with the smaller man. How times have changed.
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If Sergio wants money, if Sergio wants money climb a division. Because many years have passed people forget that Mayweather and Pacquiao did just that when they were making a name for themselves. It just goes to show how ungrateful boxing fans are and how the ''What have you done for me lately'' caters towards the disease running rampant in the sport. What incentive is their for younger fighters to jump in the deep end of the pool when they know that at age 30, ages 22-29 will be forgotten providing they knock out the right opponent.

Still doesn't change the fact that there are currently 3 concenous top 5 pfp fighters that have all held titles at 154 & there is only one of them willing to fight the other 2. I think there are fighters at 160, or even 154 given half the chance that can beat Martinez, but he isn't the only overrated top pfp fighter out there.

[FeFist]

Still doesn't change the fact that there are currently 3 concenous top 5 pfp fighters that have all held titles at 154 & there is only one of them willing to fight the other 2. I think there are fighters at 160, or even 154 given half the chance that can beat Martinez, but he isn't the only overrated top pfp fighter out there.

It changes what that fact implies.