What big advantages did Manny have?

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shane was WW champ in 07 and 08. SWW in 09..Manny was coming from 130 slowly with only three fights. He eventually got to Shane. Shane was not beaten badly by Floyd. had a draw with Mora...Then beaten up by Manny. Why do people seem to forget that Manny has NOT been fighting at this weight long! Everyone acts like hes been in this division for years on years. Like everyone he is fighting. Coming up three divisions is a step by step. Its Manny fault that he makes everyone look old slow and washed up. Hes that good.

So what, he still fought a tough welterweight in Cotto didn't he? That was a good fight, but the fact is Pac ducked SHane and wanted nothing to do with him when he was the champion.

[PAC-BOY]

No need to bicker in this thread playa.

Im just enjoying the one sided beat downs. ****s hilarious.

what the hell is a playa?

[PAC-BOY]

So what, he still fought a tough welterweight in Cotto didn't he? That was a good fight, but the fact is Pac ducked SHane and wanted nothing to do with him when he was the champion.

Again..Cotto beat mosley on 07. Cotto was the wbo champ. Manny fought him. Manny won and then became WBO champ. The fact that Shane was champ doesnt mean nothing...so was Cotto. And Cotto had already beat Mosley!

[The Big Dunn]

Again..Cotto beat mosley on 07. Cotto was the wbo champ. Manny fought him. Manny won and then became WBO champ. The fact that Shane was champ doesnt mean nothing...so was Cotto. And Cotto had already beat Mosley!

But he fought cotto at 145 and at the time SHane was the lineal and ring champ.

[Calabis]

PAC didn't even make 150 for a 150 fight how could he be walking around at 150-153?? And cotto didn't even fight at 154 in this last fight so wtf are u talking about?

According to your Pac partner on here(thread starter), Pac walks around at 150-153....Pac has never came into a fight over 148, last time I checked.... Cotto was 152 vs Margarito for weigh in with a 153lb catch weight, it was expected both would be over/right around 160 on fight night. Mayweather is fighting Cotto at 154...so are you ******ed? Not anything else, not 148, 147, 145. Cotto offered 150, Pac said no, they wanted more weight off of him....so wtf are you talking about?

[PAC-BOY]

But he fought cotto at 145 and at the time SHane was the lineal and ring champ.

in 09 Mosley was the WBA SWW champ...Cotto was the Wbo. Regardless of what trinket belt who had...Cotto had already beat Mosley so he took Cotto first. And for a title.

[Reloaded]

YEah brother!

I was seriously disappointed in Pac when he opted to duck Shane and fight Cotto for a paper belt, especially since Cotto had just been badly beaten down and Mosley beat the guy who did it...

I dont know whats worse the ducking of Mosley at a crazy CW when he looked a danger and Roach saying your too good of a fighter Shane and then taking him when shot and then weight did not matter ,,

That or the Cotto deal , meaning forcing him to a CW or no fight the first time , and Manny now wanting Cotto as his first choice and then ducking him because he would not accept another CW that would be a bigger draining than before .

What has happened with Cotto proves Manny would have walked the first time without a CW , so in reality Manny flat refuses to fight Cotto without a CW , a CW where Miguel says he will never sacrifice his body like that again , powerful words from Cotto , he also added he is no longer with Top Rank so dont have to accept , says it like he was pressured to take it .

Then you got the ducking of Foreman saying he was too big yet takes Margo who is the same size at another draining CW for a paper title , then he goes and CWs a LW , *** me Manny manipulates weights and conditions to suit himself one minute he is WW and then he is Jnr WW , it all depends who he is trying to fight but one thing is clear its always to his advantage .

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Again..Cotto beat mosley on 07. Cotto was the wbo champ. Manny fought him. Manny won and then became WBO champ. The fact that Shane was champ doesnt mean nothing...so was Cotto. And Cotto had already beat Mosley!

He still ducked Mosley. Roach even admitted it.

[The Big Dunn]

in 09 Mosley was the WBA SWW champ...Cotto was the Wbo. Regardless of what trinket belt who had...Cotto had already beat Mosley so he took Cotto first. And for a title.

In 09 Mosley was the RING and LINEAL champ and the consensus #1 ww in the world, even though he lost to Cotto. Is Torrecampo the best WW in the world right now because he beat Manny? Of course not so lets be real here.

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I dont know whats worse the ducking of Mosley at a crazy CW when he looked a danger and Roach saying your too good of a fighter Shane and then taking him when shot and then weight did not matter ,,

That or the Cotto deal , meaning forcing him to a CW or no fight the first time , and Manny now wanting Cotto as his first choice and then ducking him because he would not accept another CW that would be a bigger draining than before .

What has happened with Cotto proves Manny would have walked the first time without a CW , so in reality Manny flat refuses to fight Cotto without a CW , a CW where Miguel says he will never sacrifice his body like that again , powerful words from Cotto , he also added he is no longer with Top Rank so dont have to accept , says it like he was pressured to take it .

Then you got the ducking of Foreman saying he was too big yet takes Margo who is the same size at another draining CW for a paper title , then he goes and CWs a LW , *** me Manny manipulates weights and conditions to suit himself one minute he is WW and then he is Jnr WW , it all depends who he is trying to fight but one thing is clear its always to his advantage .

They were both pretty bad. What's even more funny is the *******s making excuses for him