Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – No More ‘Kid’ Gloves For Chavez Jr.

[Mr. David]

Ok David.... Perhaps I went a bit overboard asking you to go suck a Kock but this is a forum with passionate fans filled potty mouths... We're all men here. Nothing personal... When I post a comments that someone dislikes, I get told to go screw myself all the time. Having that said, your entitled to your opinion but your supposed to be a guru of the sport or a so called "expert". To say that Mayweather vs Cotto is synonymous to Mayweather vs Gatti is completely off base and out of line. A comment like that questions your judgement and knowledge of boxing.

Your article was supposed to attract comments regarding Chavez Jr and most comments posted on this blog was about you sentence comparing Mayweather vs Cotto to another Mayweather vs Gatti. Notice that everyone disagreed with you. Not because we're Cotto nuthuggers but there's Gatti (RIP) should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Cotto. Cotto has accomplished to much for the sport of boxing filling up Madison Square Garden and Vegas to be compared to a Jersey boy that all he did was fill up the boardwalk in Atlantic City.... Night and Day..... You gotta be a bit more carefull with your analysis cause the aficionados here can be a bit unforgiving lol.

Machingo,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You certainly have your right to disagree with me, and to note your disagreement.

I feel that, stylistically, and with Cotto being where he is physically — he's not shot, in my opinion, but he's definitely slowed down a bit — that the result of Mayweather-Cotto will be similar to what Mayweather-Gatti was.

The responses in this forum thread don't necessarily represent the entire readership. I brought this up on Twitter, and there were many there who felt that it was an apropos comparison. I guess it just depends on your analysis, and, perhaps, your fandom.

That's not to say that just because a person is a Cotto fan that they'll favor him to win every fight. There were many of Puerto Rican heritage I spoke to in New York City prior to Cotto-Margarito 2 who wanted Cotto to win but thought Margarito would be the victor.

Nor should one prediction call into question a person's credibility — so long as that person provides good reasons for it. Heck, I and a bunch of famed boxing trainers picked Manny Pacquiao to beat Juan Manuel Marquez easily. That didn't happen. If this sport was entirely on paper and entirely predictable, it wouldn't be anywhere near as enjoyable.

So let's bring this to discussion, because I'm always open to that. If you've read my columns before, you'll have seen the occasions where I give something second consideration, or even admit to being wrong (how many writers do that?).

You feel that Cotto will win, right? Or at least stands a good chance? Break down the fight — how do you see it going, and why? I promise to be respectful of your opinion, considering the respect you showed me in your second post.

[liuj88]

Think you have it all wrong. Junior isn't "making millions". That is expected, all going well, for the fiture. I don't know where you get your figures from? Mayweather perhaps? recently I saw some figures for Chavez fights, and I think his highest purse was under $300,000. Could be wrong, and also PPV may make him much more, but I dont' think "millions". He hasn't reached that level yet. His Rubio fight sold 13,000 tickets.

In PPV star Cotto's very recent fight against Mayorga, late last year, he got $1 mill. Mayorga got $50 thousand. In Cotto's fight against the popular Foreman, Foreman earned $300,000.

Wow. I know Mayorga is not an elite fighter, but considering entertainment value alone, I would think that he would earn much more than you stated per fight, especially against Cotto. Do you have a source for the $50,000 figure?

[liuj88]

I quite agree. Cotto is a very different "kettle of fish" to Gatti. Cotto is a methodical, skilled boxer, and I think that he might not like being compared to 3rd rate Gatti. And, by implication, have someone who has never boxed, denigrate his skills, and write that he will get a humiliating stoppage beating. "Fighting Words", except for a very few comments, for a long time now, has seemed to me, to be a very long winded, extravagantly over wordy, rehash of everything that has been written by other writers in the previous few days.

I think it's unfair for so many people here to express what I think to be unreasonably negative, biased opinions against the writer.

What the writer was trying to say, I think, is that the Mayweather-Cotto fight will look like the Mayweather-Gatti fight, not because Cotto and Gatti are equal in terms of boxing skills, but because Mayweather is just a much better boxer than both of them. Whether this is true is arguable, and certainly within reason for the writer to claim.

I happen to enjoy reading "Fighting Words". It is a column, and expresses the writer's analysis and opinion. The puns, the turns of phrases, the choice of words, show that the writer takes his time, each time, to write each piece. I appreciate that.

If I want straight news, I can get that somewhere else. And so can you.

[liuj88]

I suppose "stepping up and be and be a champ" really means "stepping up and be a chump". Why should any presently overmatched fighter sign on for an almost certain loss, and lose most of his earning power, just to satisfy your thirst for blood, anybody's blood.?? He's in the business to make a living. The guy is still improving with every fight.

Don't bother look
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How much Chavez Jr. improves with every fight, or whether he is "ready", is irrelevant. The point is that he is a "champion," and as such, should defend his claim as the very best in his weight class.

I don't think anyone would be demanding that he fight Martinez if he didn't hold the title. Martinez clearly wants the belt, and is the mandatory for Jr..

If Jr. doesn't feel "ready," or if the fight is not profitable enough for him, fine. He can surrender the title.

[liuj88]

You put so much effort into your opening graphs week after week... dude, less is more... read some donovan...

net' boxing writers: "It’s no secret that most media members these days are little more than boxing fans with greater access."

How much effort is too much is a matter of taste--of the writer, as well as the reader. If you prefer Donovan, you can certainly read him.

I don't see the point of your comment about the boxing media and access. I want boxing writers to be fans. Don't you? And access is part of being in the media. If you disagree with an opinion, then explain why, without insults.