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  • #71
    Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
    The specifics are Floyd wins by either KO or TKO. All your points. I got 5MIL+ on it.
    Cool, ill take that. Will put it in my sig when I get home later.

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    • #72
      Originally posted by leonthegee View Post
      That was years ago when Floyd wasnt ready to move up. Hes a full grown WW now. This move up will be so much easier than before.
      I don't think there's much of a difference physically from Floyd then and now. Floyd will probably weigh 150 and come in 151-152 fight night, which is almost the same as the Oscar fight. If he comes in heavier than 155-157, I'm going to be interested to see how Floyd performs. That would be the biggest hes ever been in the ring.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Babyboy33749 View Post
        I really don't have no care in the world for Floyd mayweather for his lack of respect for people, but I'll give him credit for taking this fight and stepping up in weight to fight cotto... Now to me he is showing the world that he is the true pound for pound king. All you Floyd fans need to stop choping cotto down though, give this man credit, he is a good fighter. This will be the first fight I will buy to watch Floyd fight just because I know he has a true challenge. I never took anything away from Floyd like you PAC haters do, Floyd is a great boxer but burning money and all that iish was disrespect to people like me the hard working American. I will always be a PAC fan because of his boxing style and abilities and just all around respectful person. Respect is the most important thing to me in life people and all u Floyd fans need to open ur eyes
        Props on this post but you know as well as I do, that you are a dying breed of Pac fans who respect the sport,Floyd, his fans and people in a whole. Especially the ones that post on boxingscene. I too am not a fan of Mayweather "money" persona. Like him better as PBF. The money thing comes off as artificial but hey! To each his own though. In the ring Floyd is the best and that is what I respect most about him. I respect Miguel Cotto and think he is a tough fighter but just never was able to cosign Floyd ducking him when Arum never wanted to make the fight at 140. Bob Arum politics stopped the fight from happening till now. I always critique the fight style wise from watching Cotto/Floyd fight and I didn't see where Cotto could beat him. To me this is a good fight at 154 because Floyd has to move up where Cotto has been fighting since his defeat from Pac in 09, he's been winning and it's for the title. Not down playing Cotto but I think Floyd is just better and always have.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by Babyboy33749 View Post
          I really don't have no care in the world for Floyd mayweather for his lack of respect for people, but I'll give him credit for taking this fight and stepping up in weight to fight cotto... Now to me he is showing the world that he is the true pound for pound king. All you Floyd fans need to stop choping cotto down though, give this man credit, he is a good fighter. This will be the first fight I will buy to watch Floyd fight just because I know he has a true challenge. I never took anything away from Floyd like you PAC haters do, Floyd is a great boxer but burning money and all that iish was disrespect to people like me the hard working American.I will always be a PAC fan because of his boxing style and abilities and just all around respectful person. Respect is the most important thing to me in life people and all u Floyd fans need to open ur eyes
          I'm a hard working American too and I could really care less if he burns money. He made it, its his to burn. ******?? EXTREMLY! Am i bothered by it, well, i would much rather him give it to the poor, but the publicity it gives him, is much more valuable to working people than that money would be.

          Look at it this way. You and I know that, the burning of money is his way of causing controversy and having people that want to see someone flashy, love him even more, and people like you who take offense, hate him even more.(not saying u hate him, just making a point) The more people that come to his fights and buy, the more money is pumped into the local economy, which helps hard working American's like you.

          When he was pretty boy Floyd, he was drawing fly's, an HBO fighter and you never saw any of this nonsense and bragging that he shows now. Where did that get him? Almost nowhere. No, he brags, he's flashy, he burns money, he talks shi^*t so the he now has the haters and the people who love his skillz watching. Does that tell you something about why he acts the way he does? Pretty without the bling = drawing like Shane Mosley.

          To be honest, its sad that he has to resort to those things in American, be more popular, but Pac can come here from another country and be supported and more beloved. So be it, he realized what the game is and he owns it. Basically he is saying "if you won't love me, then I will make you hate me. I will keep winning and make sure u keep watching to see me lose" Whether u agree or not, its great marketing
          Last edited by megadeth; 02-05-2012, 02:41 PM.

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          • #75
            Cotto has a great shot at winning this. People will be surprised how much Cotto was underestimated coming into this fight.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by megadeth View Post
              I'm a hard working American too and I could really care less if he burns money. He made it, its his to burn. ******?? EXTREMLY! Am i bothered by it, well, i would much rather him give it to the poor, but the publicity it gives him, is much more valuable to working people than that money would be.

              Look at it this way. You and I know that, the burning of money is his way of causing controversy and having people that want to see someone flashy, love him even more, and people like you who take offense, hate him even more.(not saying u hate him, just making a point) The more people that come to his fights and buy, the more money is pumped into the local economy, which helps hard working American's like you.

              When he was pretty boy Floyd, he was drawing fly's, an HBO fighter and you never saw any of this nonsense and bragging that he shows now. Where did that get him? Almost nowhere. No, he brags, he's flashy, he burns money, he talks shi^*t so the he now has the haters and the people who love his skillz watching. Does that tell you something about why he acts the way he does? Pretty without the bling = drawing like Shane Mosley.

              To be honest, its sad that he has to resort to those things in American, be more popular, but Pac can come here from another country and be supported and more beloved. So be it, he realized what the game is and he owns it. Basically he is saying "if you won't love me, then I will make you hate me. I will keep winning and make sure u keep watching to see me lose" Whether u agree or not, its great marketing
              Exactly on point megadeth,

              The ignorant masses, along with the haters lose any reason when it comes to the object of their hate. Not realizing that Public Relations is a very big part of boxing and what Floyd does, for the most part is PR.

              PBF Mayweather = hardcore fans and small purses

              Money Mayweather = Celebrities, HC fans, Haters, Newbies etc... along with Mega-fights worth tens of millions

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              • #77
                Originally posted by iseah100 View Post
                This is what I've been saying while reading these silly comments. Floyd has NO power, why do people think he'll knock out Cotto when it took Pacquiao and Margarito 12 and 11 round to force a stoppage? Ever since Mayweather "knocked out" Ortiz people on here think he has unbelievable power. Smh. Anyways I think Cotto has a good chance to win and he will give Mayweather plenty of problems, not totally sure why people are underestimating him.
                Floyd has 42 fights and 26 KO's homie. That's a good fraction of his fights by KO, TKO or stoppages. That's not Malignaggi or Calderon right there. I have been watching Mayweather for a long time and if he turns it up then a stoppage is on it's way. Sometimes I feel like people on here started watching Floyd when he fought Baldomir and De La Hoya. Floyd is an accurate fighter and after a while of eating punches without being able to answer can get you out of there. A stoppage in a Floyd fight is always possible but depends on if he is going to turn it up or not. Cotto is tough but I think in my own opinion (Don't have to like it) that Cotto is not going to the final bell.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by Tobi.G View Post
                  the question is if Cotto ca take Mayweathers counters well or not. If he can take Floyd shots well i think he could outwork him. They fight at 154 and thats better for Cotto. When Floyd fought at 154 agains DLH he had problems and it was a close fight. And DLH was alerady far past his best at that time.
                  Originally posted by The Surgeon View Post
                  Do people think Mayweather is gonna try and take advantage of Cotto's perceived weakness to pressure and walk him down like he did with Mosley? Or get on his bike like we havent seen him do for a while? OR just stand his ground and counter moving back only when need be?

                  DLH is not Cotto, DLH has physical attributes that are much different from what Cotto offers. Floyd is not gonna fight the same way. More often than not, Floyd will stand just right outside Cotto's range of fire, so he can pick him off with counter-punches. Cotto's worst enemy in this fight is himself, cuz if he shows any signs of discouragement, Floyd will pounce on him, start winging off combinations like he was starting to do on Ortiz. As much of a fan I am of Cotto and his style, I am aware of what time it is, and Cotto is in trouble. I will not be surprised if he stops Cotto tbh. I'm willing to bet on it that Mayweather stops Cotto. Any takers?

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
                    Bet all of your points that Floyd either KO's Cotto,TKO or towel time. I'm just amazed how Cotto became a threat to Floyd in 05/06 when Arum said himself Cotto wasn't ready to fight Floyd AND a prime undefeated Cotto went tooth and nails with a 36 year old Shane Mosley in 07 who pops kept forgetting what round they were fighting in. Floyd would have handed Cotto a whupping from the beginning. Bob Arum made up that Mayweather was ducking Cotto/Margarito like he has for Manny. That's how Bob is getting his money back off of Floyd leaving. Selling him fighters as the guys Floyd ducked. Styles make fights and Cotto never had a style to beat Mayweather simply because Cotto could not adjust effectively once his punch got taken away. Cotto was a puncher until his competition became stiffer. Floyd beats Cotto easily back then and now.

                    Cotto has earned my respect as a fighter but he has been flawed. He got tagged clean and flush in every big fight he has been in. Floyd is going to back Cotto up and make him rethink. Can't wait to see these guys in the ring together. Cotto got his confidence back from the Margarito fight, a new trainer and he's looking to prove something. It's just sad that once Floyd beats him, the same people who said Cotto has a chance will say he was washed up but Floyd will still be a JMW champ (full limit) for the second time.
                    I'll get in on that bet. Don't see Floyd stopping Cotto. The kid is battle tested and his two losses aren't the end of life like some people on this forum make them out to be. People I'm sure haven't been in a tough fight in their life but want to comment on what they take out of you or what a fighter has left after them. There is a reason fighters have to fight the fights and a winner isn't decided after they sign the contracts. Cotto and Kirkland are my two favorite fighters and Ali my favorite all time. Obviously! but as great as he was Norton gave him fits and could be argued beat him in those fights. As great as Floyd is he hasn't been tested often and if he does walk thru Cotto all props to him. But this is a fight I want to see and I give Cotto a good shot because he is not an easy out and after fights, even the ones he's lost, his opponents walk out looking like they have been in a fight! He is flawed and he takes shots but he's also touched every fighter he's been in the ring with. Floyd will be in a fight. And only reason I say Floyd hasn't been tested is because I believe in this era he could have taken on more tougher fighters. Guys like Oscar and now Cotto have fought everybody. Contenders, Champs, everybody! Floyd just hasn't. And because Arum said Cotto wasn't ready doesn't mean anything. Because we both know if Floyd was a top rank fighter at that time that fight would have happened! And Floyd was smart to duck margarito in retrospect but it's fairly easy to see and it's verified Floyd turned that fight down long before his cheating was exposed! Floyd is smart and cautious in his selection and fighting style. He won't knock Cotto out because he won't try to. So whatever points I have I'll bet them all

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by arraamis View Post
                      Exactly on point megadeth,

                      The ignorant masses, along with the haters lose any reason when it comes to the object of their hate. Not realizing that Public Relations is a very big part of boxing and what Floyd does, for the most part is PR.

                      PBF Mayweather = hardcore fans and small purses

                      Money Mayweather = Celebrities, HC fans, Haters, Newbies etc... along with Mega-fights worth tens of millions
                      That's exactly what it is "Marketing & Promotions" Floyd before the money persona, dude was a considerate fighter outside the ring as well as in the ring but people still gave him crap because he couldn't lose and they expected more from him but he was doing everything to try to please the fans. I guess he finally said "F it"! I'm money May now and became a vicious ego maniac. Most of the time on here people post on Floyd personality and don't really look at him as the fighter because if they did then they would respect the dude for his capabilities in the ring instead of just talking non sense from a personal view.

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