Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr. - Pacquiao is Scared of Floyd, Cotto is Not

[GRUSTLER]

- Everyone knew Ortiz had no heart and showed it against Maidana/Peterson.
- Mosley beat a weight drained Margarito and had a year and a half lay off before fighting May and was in the middle of a training camp with Berto before Andre pulled out. Perhaps he was over trained.
- He fought Hatton at 47 when Hatton was the lineal champ at 40.
- You're right about the ODLH one.
- Cotto was Margarito's leftovers but he's not when May is fighting him? Hypocritical, no? Cotto is a small SWW. He wanted to fight Margarito at 150.

- ODLH challenged Pacquiao when he was a LW. Manny was a big underdog before the fight. You expect a guy who started at 105 to jump 3 divisions?
- Pacquiao fought Hatton at 40, the division he ruled and was the lineal champ.
- If Cotto was damaged when he fought Margarito, shouldn't he be even more damaged now that Pac whooped him?
- Yes he does fight a slow Margarito, but one who outweighed him by like 16-17lbs on fight night. Cant disagree with you on the Mosley fight though.

Miguel Cotto is going to be Miguel Cotto. He will always take a beating or get hurt from tough fighters he cannot hurt with his punch or out pressure. Not to make excuses but Cotto has a better trainer and is fighting at his comfortable weight and feeling confident after beating Margarito in the rematch. Do I think he will be a tough fight for Floyd? No not highly but he may put up a better fight than he did against Pac,just off of his experience in the corner alone this time around.

I read Roach making excuses on why Pac looked bad in fights but Cotto could also make them for Margarito and Pac fights. Not matter who Floyd/Pac fought or what we think about them as fighters/boxers. Fact of the matter is that Floyd fought all fighters coming off big wins in their careers while Pac hasn't, with exception to JMM and you see how that fight turned out.

Hatton and Cotto did not want to fight Floyd at 140 (both were at the fight) Arum said Cotto needs more fights and Hatton said he wasn't ready. Ricky called Floyd out after he KO'd Castillo and moved up to fight Floyd. Hatton was already a champ at 147 because he narrowly beat Collazo. Hatton was undefeated and feeling confident. Mosley beat a weight drained Margarito but Pac still didn't want none of Shane Mosley after that win.

I wish people would stop using "left overs" because all fighters fight each other but it is a fact that Pac fought them when they were not at their best. I don't give him $h!t for the Oscar fight or Hatton. Oscar wanted it that way and Hatton was the Lineal Champion at 140 who came off a motivational win over Malignaggi. No one should be denying that Mayweather is fighting better opponents or at better times in their careers than Pac. Example below....

Mayweather, however, has a chance to at least shush the critics now that he is finally going to face an elite welterweight in champion Shane Mosley

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=5146915

Arum doesn't care. He only wants to do what is best for himself, certainly not for boxing. He is going to put Mosley in the ring with Pacquiao soley because of name. It's a move that will squeeze out the last gasps of Mosley's once-outstanding career so Arum can generate another big payday while doing a disservice to real boxing fans who actually care about the matchups and not just a famous but faded name.

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...d-fight-boxing

Same writer different opinion.

[tlarry]

Floyd Was Afraid To Fight Marcos Maidana!!!

Floyd ducked Cotto his whole career. The ONLY reason Floyd will fight Cotto now is because he thinks he's past his prime, had too many wars, and has slowed considerably since his prime, and become more one dimensional. That's why Floyd waited for Mosley to turn 40. Floyd had a chance to fight Marcos Maidana who destroyed Victor Ortiz in 6 ROUNDS, and instead fought Ortiz anyway, not taking any chances with Maidana. Floyd is a ***** from the hood. Talks big, but look at his opponents. The ONLY big name in their prime he took on was Oscar, and nearly everyone who saw the fight, said Oscar won. Floyd attended that post fight interview with sun glasses on. Floyd was offered $25m for a rematch with Oscar, and Floyd said no. Floyd fought Castillo and Coralles; big deal. He fought Zab Judah who almost knocked Floyd out. He fought much smaller, one dimensional, lead with your chin fighters in Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton, and Juan Manuel Marquez. Disgusting. His record doesn't look like Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Chavez, or Arguello. In fact he never fought the competition Oscar and Shane Mosley fought. Better yet, Floyds list of opponents pales in comparison to that of Manny Pacquiao's! Manny fought Hall of Famers, in their prime, multiple times, Barrera (2x), Morales (3x), and Marquez (3x)!!! Fought Cotto in his prime, fought Clottey, Margarito, Oscar, Mosley, and KO'd Hatton cold in 2 rounds; Hatton went 10 or 11 rounds with a much larger Mayweather. There's NO comparison in the quality of opponents Manny has faced to what Floyd has hand picked. Floyd needs to grow a set of balls.

[MTN]

@MTN

- Ortiz had heart before and after fighting FLoyd. If getting knocked down a few times and getting up afterwards isn't having heart then I don't what you call having heart.
- Margarito was not weight drained so I don't know where that came from? He fought as a welterweight all of his life prior to getting knocked out by Mosley.
- True he did fight Hatton at 47; but, and there is a but. Hatton challenged Mayweather for his title so this is being discredited.
- Floyd fought Oscar at his weight and beat him.
- Cotto was not Margarito's leftovers, Margarito may have been cheating when he beat Cotto; hence, he couldn't beat or hurt Cotto in the second fight.
- ODLH did challenge a smaller Pacquiao, but at the same time; he drained the hell out of himself for the money; even Freddie Roach admitted it.
- Mayweather was outweighted against Ortiz by 14 pounds and still knocked out a young, fresh, strong opponent!!

What do MTN stand for? Most Terrible Nitpicker!!!

- Ortiz doesn't have heart. He quit against Maidana. He had 0 chance coming into a fight against Floyd. He quit against Floyd. He was looking for a way out that fight after getting picked apart. Why the hell would he be all smiles when he claims he got "sucker punched"?
- Margarito did have trouble losing weight in camp. They said when he started camp he was up to 175lbs. Capetillo at the time felt he was to weak cause of the weight cut which is the reason why he loaded Tony's gloves.
- The comparison is who fought the better Hatton. Yes, Pacquiao fought the better version of Hatton at HIS division.
- Mayweather did beat the better version of ODLH. Not dis*****g that. But ODLH called out Pac, not the other way around. Pac just won the LW belt at the time. You expect the guy to jump 3 divisions after recently winning at LW? Before the fight, Pac was a huge underdog. Dont blame Pac for fighting a dead Oscar. Blame Oscar for not hiring a proper nutritionist to get him down there properly.
- Of course Cotto was Tony's leftovers. Did you see the beating he laid on him?
- Mayweather knocked out a guy who had his hands down. I felt Ortiz deserved it. Anyhow I think the most of us who train can knock out a guy with 2 clean shots on the chin when they have there hands down.

And good one.

[ADP02]

we can continue and argue about this all night.lets just say floyd agreed to 50/50 the fight woudn't be in may 5 like floyd wanted

That is a hypothetical statement that you just made. The fact is that Manny & Floyd spoke to each other about getting a deal made for their supposed fight and Manny said 50/50? .... Floyd said no way!

[t2xspgs]

You dudes are a bunch of ****ing idiots. Give it a rest. Pacquiao does not want the fight. He's about to fight tim bradley and is even afraid to fight someone he beat already at a higher weight. What happened to manny's punching power? You guys are some ****** ass clowns. A bunch of computer nerds that don't know **** about boxing. Yet alone how to analyze the business and what's going on. When mayweather fought de la hoya that was the most he made in his career at that time. He also took less money with oscar being the bigger draw. You ****ing idiots believe the fight didn't happen because floyd rejected a 50 50 split? Oh no how about the venue. The fight didn't happen because floyd was unwilling to change the venue. No wait pacquiao's cut needs to heal. Oh no wait may 5 is ok for marquez after he whipped manny's ass but its too early for floyd. Oh wait the drug test isn't the issue? Excuse me but you dumb ****ing idiots wake up. I'm really sick of listening to you clowns. Use whatever ounce of that dumb ****ing brain of yours that actually thinks. Then things will be clear.

[SceneSpectator!]

mayweathers should shut the **** up! Every person of his clan who believes pac is afraid to Mayweather is a plain and simple ******! Give Pac a fair share and we'll see how Floyd is scared to death! How much more if Pac used the term Floyd used to pac, 60-40 to Pac favor? Should Floyd bit the bait so he not be labeled as scared to pac?! hahaha! Floyd is scared to Pac, and he is very shrewed to maneuver issues not to fight Pac, so simple minded people saw it as Pac was the one scared! Floyd gave Pac a term he knows Pac will not accept, and did not only saved scared Floyd of fighting Pac, but at the same time blamed Pac of the failed offer to materialize! Clever scared Floyd.. he wanted to use one stone for two birds!

Pac is not afraid to Cotto either.. the highest weighed Pac fought was only good for Welterweight! Yes, he fought Marg at JMW while Pac actual weight was at WW! and every scared fighter who wanted to fight pac at JMW saw Pac weight at 147 a bonus, for obvious reasons! That's why, incidental champion just like Sergio Martinez who since he defeated PWilliams and other 2 notable boxers, refused to face some other champions in his weight class, and instead challenging full-packed best fighters in next weight division, he went challenging best but smaller guys in 2 lower divisions, then chided them as scared while he could not label himself scared of not venturing to fight any of the best fighters next div up! What an irony!

[jbpanama]

You're exactly what "*****" means!
Let me ask you something *****s really despise:

When was the last time Floyd fought a PRIME HOF'er? I'll be waiting....

U obviously don't count his Girl Friend, Josie, she was double tough!!!
Got to Admit Know one PUNKS OUT like The Master of AVOIDANCE!!!

[aremjayel]

Who's the duck?

Who set the may 5 date WITHOUT consulting the opponent? Mayweather. Who demanded tests beyond those required by boxing commissions? Mayweather. Who has been found using painkillers for his right hand? Mayweather. Who SUDDENLY refused a 50/50 split when that was the INDISPUTABLE SHARING AGREEMENT in ALL previous negotiations? Mayweather. Who sent his manager to talk to Mayweather so soon after his last fight? Pacman. Who's willing to split 55/45 winner/loser? Pacman. Who was flexible on the date of the fight? Pacman. Who has NEVER tested positive for using any kind of PEDs or painkillers? Pacman. Who agreed anyway to all tests beyond that required by boxing commissions? Pacman.

So who's ducking whom?

[Reloaded]

Floyd ducked Cotto his whole career. The ONLY reason Floyd will fight Cotto now is because he thinks he's past his prime, had too many wars, and has slowed considerably since his prime, and become more one dimensional. That's why Floyd waited for Mosley to turn 40. Floyd had a chance to fight Marcos Maidana who destroyed Victor Ortiz in 6 ROUNDS, and instead fought Ortiz anyway, not taking any chances with Maidana. Floyd is a ***** from the hood. Talks big, but look at his opponents. The ONLY big name in their prime he took on was Oscar, and nearly everyone who saw the fight, said Oscar won. Floyd attended that post fight interview with sun glasses on. Floyd was offered $25m for a rematch with Oscar, and Floyd said no. Floyd fought Castillo and Coralles; big deal. He fought Zab Judah who almost knocked Floyd out. He fought much smaller, one dimensional, lead with your chin fighters in Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton, and Juan Manuel Marquez. Disgusting. His record doesn't look like Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Chavez, or Arguello. In fact he never fought the competition Oscar and Shane Mosley fought. Better yet, Floyds list of opponents pales in comparison to that of Manny Pacquiao's! Manny fought Hall of Famers, in their prime, multiple times, Barrera (2x), Morales (3x), and Marquez (3x)!!! Fought Cotto in his prime, fought Clottey, Margarito, Oscar, Mosley, and KO'd Hatton cold in 2 rounds; Hatton went 10 or 11 rounds with a much larger Mayweather. There's NO comparison in the quality of opponents Manny has faced to what Floyd has hand picked. Floyd needs to grow a set of balls.

Thats strange Pac wanted to fight Cotto now , but ONLY with another CW , why does Pac need 2 CWs against Cotto why WILL Pac fight Cotto only if he is weight drained , and you talk about balls kid , you dont know what it means , you might wanna have think before you make silly comments , its not ballsy to beat somebody with a handicap that you forced on them !

[flat1985]

What does sacrifice my body for a fighter mean? Does it mean he's coming in at full strength? Don't be so dense.

He weighed 146 the fight before but that extra pound must of been a nightmare to get off