Tito Trinidad vs Sergio Martinez @ 154LBS

[Doctor_Tenma]

What I like about Martinez is that he can fight very well while tired, watch the Paul Williams fight, also the Pavlik fight, but that wouldn't work too well against Trinidad as Tito doesn't slow down and keeps coming. It'll be pretty competitive early on but Tito takes over eventually. Trinidad, unlike anyone Martinez has faced, will touch Martinez's body a lot.

[Einstien]

Sergio has good legs but I dont think he would use them much. He likes to trade (IE, Pavlik, Wiliams).
He trades with Tito and its over in 8-10. TKO Stoppage, I think he will take a few and maybe his pride will keep him up...Joe Cortez steps in and saves his life.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

What I like about Martinez is that he can fight very well while tired, watch the Paul Williams fight, also the Pavlik fight, but that wouldn't work too well against Trinidad as Tito doesn't slow down and keeps coming. It'll be pretty competitive early on but Tito takes over eventually. Trinidad, unlike anyone Martinez has faced, will touch Martinez's body a lot.

Tito at 147 is different then Tito at 154lbs and above......LEFTY

[jrosales13]

Okay lets break it down like this @ 147 trinidad was a much stronger fighter with more power in his gloves. For Martinez 147lbs was like his armature career since he never really had one.

Martinez W - 20 L - 1 w/6KO's (only loss Margarito @ 147lbs)
Trinidad W - 36 L - 0 w/30KO's (Undefeated beat Oscar, Oba Carr, Whitaker, Camacho sr)

The question is at 154lbs who wins right? Well @ 154lbs I have to give it to Martinez on paper and on paper is where this will happen right?

Martinez W- 27 L- 1 w/21KO's & 2 draws (Pavlik, Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk 37-0 no one wanted to fight him)

Trinidad W- 6 L- 3 (Vargas, Joppy, Mayorga)

Based on their records alone I would go with Martinez above 147lbs......LEFTY

Pavlik, Williams, Dzinziruk, Joppy and Mayorga fights happened at 160 not 154, since we're talking about 154.

Anyways, that's not really a good way to breakdown a fight.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Pavlik, Williams, Dzinziruk, Joppy and Mayorga fights happened at 160 not 154, since we're talking about 154.

Anyways, that's not really a good way to breakdown a fight.

My point was that Trinidad was a much stronger and elite fighter at 147lbs. Above 147lbs Martinez has the better record on paper. Whether it is at 154 or 160 I give the edge to Martinez since he has won and kept titles at both those weights and Tito lost big matches above 147lbs....LEFTY

[jrosales13]

Tito at 147 is different then Tito at 154lbs and above......LEFTY

Tito at 147/154 are not that different. Tito at 160 maybe. But, then again a lot of that had to do with Hopkins, ask Joppy.

[jrosales13]

My point was that Trinidad was a much stronger and elite fighter at 147lbs. Above 147lbs Martinez has the better record on paper. Whether it is at 154 or 160 I give the edge to Martinez since he has won and kept titles at both those weights and Tito lost big matches above 147lbs....LEFTY

Tito never lost at 154 won big fights their too.

[fceeviper]

Tito with plaster: Tito via TKO 8rds

Tito without plaster: Sergio via KO 10rds

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Tito at 147/154 are not that different. Tito at 160 maybe. But, then again a lot of that had to do with Hopkins, ask Joppy.

J-Ro honestly amigo Tito was not the same fighter at 154 that he was at 147lbs. He only fought 3 fights at 154lbs.

Reid w/UD
Vargas w/TKO 12
Mamadou Thiam w/TKO 3

He moved right to 160lbs to meet Hopkins and after that only 4 fights since 2001. In those 4 fights after Hopkins he was 2-2 with losses to Winky and Jones at 160 and 170lbs. His two wins were against Hacine Cherifi who after his loss to Tito was 4-5 and retired in 2005. His other win was against Mayorga who was 3-3 since his clash with Tito and tasted the canvas and was KO'd in all three of his losses. After saying all that I stand behind my pick of Martinez to beat Tito at 154lbs and above.....LEFTY

[jrosales13]

J-Ro honestly amigo Tito was not the same fighter at 154 that he was at 147lbs. He only fought 3 fights at 154lbs.

Reid w/UD
Vargas w/TKO 12
Mamadou Thiam w/TKO 3

He moved right to 160lbs to meet Hopkins and after that only 4 fights since 2001. In those 4 fights after Hopkins he was 2-2 with losses to Winky and Jones at 160 and 170lbs. His two wins were against Hacine Cherifi who after his loss to Tito was 4-5 and retired in 2005. His other win was against Mayorga who was 3-3 since his clash with Tito and tasted the canvas and was KO'd in all three of his losses. After saying all that I stand behind my pick of Martinez to beat Tito at 154lbs and above.....LEFTY

He dropped Vargas and Reid a total of what? 9 or 10 times? Your making your case of him not being the same at 154 as 147 cuz' of what happened at 160?