Mayweather only fights the best fighters out there

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I won't argue that. But, he couldn't carry margarito jockstrap.

I wouldn't put it in those terms. imo Baldomir is a far more skilled and intelligent fighter than Margarito, but stylistically Margarito is all wrong for Baldomir. Would have been an interesting and entertaining fight though.

Nobody? This is not true. Lets not use hyperbole.

How about "the majority of people"?

Floyd also had negotiations with Margarito after Judah lost to Baldomir. Which is weird since Marg was a "nobody" but whatever. Either way he still went on with the Judah fight.

I was pretty sure that Mayweather didn't speak to Margarito until he beat Judah and left TR, however I bothered to double check my facts this time and on google the earliest results for negotiations between Mayweather and Margarito are late April which is when Mayweather had already left.

Who is this "everyone" that said mayweather was ducking Baldomir? Brian Kenny? Is he the be all and end be all(no disrespect to Brian Kenny, I actually liked him on FNF's) of boxing public opinion?

Kenny's criticism of Floyd reflected many people's views at the time, and if he hadn't have fought Baldomir after beating Judah there would have been a far louder outcry.

I'm not denying that Baldomir was the lineal champ. But, lineal champ does not mean you're the best fighter in the division. You falling into the trap in believing that it equates to each other.

Being the best fighter in the division isn't much help if no one (sorry no hyperboles, change that to "few people") know who you are. If Floyd had've fought Margarito he would have been criticised for fighting a bum, with Baldomir you can at least say that Floyd was fighting a bum who was the legit champ.

And, please stop playing Floyd as the victim. No one would have said he would have been ducking Malignaggi. Let's cut the nonsense shall we?

Hehe I was exaggerating but I wouldn't put it past a few of the more extreme Pacquiao fans. I'm just making the point that a lot of people don't give Floyd the credit for his victories he deserves.

He was dropped against a Euro-Bum level fighter early in his career, early in the fight. But, was visibly put on ***** street and almost KTFO by Collazo.

I knew about Collazo but I'm not familiar with Hatton's early career. Still, it's a bit unfair to doubt a fighter on the basis of one of their early fights.

They were not prospects though man. Floyd already had achieved ATG status in a division and then moved up to beat the greatest LW in the last 15 years twice. He was 3 division title holder, and a 2 division lineal champ. Judah was a 2 division title holder and a former unified, undisputed, lineal champ. They had accomplished their feat already. Hell Floyd was a HOF'er before even going to WW.

Let me rephrase myself, Judah and May weren't prospects as in young talented fighters who were yet to face real opposition, I meant prospect as in prospective superstars. Both Judah and May had achieved a lot but neither were widely known to the public in the same way as guys such as Tyson or De La Hoya. Both Judah and May were highly touted, and an undertone of the fight was to see who the new face of boxing was.

Margarito was recognized as the best in the division. While Baldomir was recognized as the lineal champ.

lol I'm in complete disagreement. You must have been a pretty hardcore fan during the mid 2000s to know Margarito, the impression I've gotten is that Margarito wasn't known outside of Mexico until he signed with TR. To put it this way I'm Australian (and boxing gets next to no exposure out here) and at the time I was only a casual fan, but going into the Margarito Williams fight I knew Williams but had never heard or Margarito. I'm not saying that this definitively proves that no one else knew Margarito, but it fits in with my belief that Margarito was not known by the average fan until the Cotto fight.

Anyway, tomorrow I'll rep you simply cause it's nice to be able to argue about Mayweather with someone who doesn't do the whole "Fraud Gayweather" thing.

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cotto is next!!! , have fun with margarito and pacs leftover floyd

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why fight margarito for 8 million,, when you got baldo for 12 million plus the title?

Well hopefully you weren't siding with ts. Because you just killed his argument being that Margarito was the best fighter of those 2 & Floyd took the money & skipped on the better fighter.

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I wouldn't put it in those terms. imo Baldomir is a far more skilled and intelligent fighter than Margarito, but stylistically Margarito is all wrong for Baldomir. Would have been an interesting and entertaining fight though.



How about "the majority of people"?



I was pretty sure that Mayweather didn't speak to Margarito until he beat Judah and left TR, however I bothered to double check my facts this time and on google the earliest results for negotiations between Mayweather and Margarito are late April which is when Mayweather had already left.



Kenny's criticism of Floyd reflected many people's views at the time, and if he hadn't have fought Baldomir after beating Judah there would have been a far louder outcry.



Being the best fighter in the division isn't much help if no one (sorry no hyperboles, change that to "few people") know who you are. If Floyd had've fought Margarito he would have been criticised for fighting a bum, with Baldomir you can at least say that Floyd was fighting a bum who was the legit champ.



Hehe I was exaggerating but I wouldn't put it past a few of the more extreme Pacquiao fans. I'm just making the point that a lot of people don't give Floyd the credit for his victories he deserves.



I knew about Collazo but I'm not familiar with Hatton's early career. Still, it's a bit unfair to doubt a fighter on the basis of one of their early fights.



Let me rephrase myself, Judah and May weren't prospects as in young talented fighters who were yet to face real opposition, I meant prospect as in prospective superstars. Both Judah and May had achieved a lot but neither were widely known to the public in the same way as guys such as Tyson or De La Hoya. Both Judah and May were highly touted, and an undertone of the fight was to see who the new face of boxing was.



lol I'm in complete disagreement. You must have been a pretty hardcore fan during the mid 2000s to know Margarito, the impression I've gotten is that Margarito wasn't known outside of Mexico until he signed with TR. To put it this way I'm Australian (and boxing gets next to no exposure out here) and at the time I was only a casual fan, but going into the Margarito Williams fight I knew Williams but had never heard or Margarito. I'm not saying that this definitively proves that no one else knew Margarito, but it fits in with my belief that Margarito was not known by the average fan until the Cotto fight.

Anyway, tomorrow I'll rep you simply cause it's nice to be able to argue about Mayweather with someone who doesn't do the whole "Fraud Gayweather" thing.

I keep telling people that Baldomir is better than Tony..

He can throw straight punches.....has a better chin...a better left hand...a sneakier right...is FASTER...and SMARTER than Margarito..

Tony is a swarming fighter.....
Baldomir will SET YOU UP....

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he seems to always try and challenge himself and btw before the ******* crew get in here we all know bob arum would never put one of his boys in there with the money man


and cotto your next son

Not true.

Floyd had his first fight at light-welter in May 2004. The best fighters in the division during the time Floyd spent there were, Tyszu, Cotto, and Hatton. Floyd never fought any of them at light-welter. Floyd did fight Gatti and Corley that were top ten and he also fought Brussels who was not even in the top ten. But is clear that Floyd did not fight the best.

Between late 2005 to the present day Floyd has competed at welter, but he didn't fight the best at this division either. In that 6 year span, the top fighters were Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams. Floyd never fought any of them. And turned down offer to fight them and even went on vacation a few time to avoid these fight.

Floyd did fight Mosley who is probably the next fight after the top 4 but Mosley had been 17 months out of the ring and was 38 years old at the time.

Instead Floyd fought the like of Baldomir, Judah, Mitchell, Hatton, Marquez and Ortiz. The journeyman and the madman. The other 4 all recently moved up, Marquez by far the worse moving up 3 weight in just over a year for the former feathweight.

It is clear Floyd once again avoided the best.

And at light-middle, Floyd fought Oscar over two and half year out of the game prior to the Mayorga fight and clearly was not the best in the division. Floyd turned down a chance to fight Winky who clearly was the best in the division over the last 7 years, never fought Martinez, who can rightfully claim second place, or even a guy like Forrest.

So at 140lbs it is very clear Floyd has not fought the best, and has done what he can to avoid them. It not like it one or two guys he has missed out on, you needs two hands to count the fighters he did not want to fight. I don't think that could be said about any other fighter.

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I keep telling people that Baldomir is better than Tony..

He can throw straight punches.....has a better chin...a better left hand...a sneakier right...is FASTER...and SMARTER than Margarito..

Tony is a swarming fighter.....
Baldomir will SET YOU UP....

yeah we ignored you before so no need to keep saying it.


that's why he's dangerous. he throws a high volume of punches from all angles.
baldomir is so slow you can time him with a calendar. he'll set you up for a 12 round unanimous decision victory.

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I was pretty sure that Mayweather didn't speak to Margarito until he beat Judah and left TR, however I bothered to double check my facts this time and on google the earliest results for negotiations between Mayweather and Margarito are late April which is when Mayweather had already left.

Kenny's criticism of Floyd reflected many people's views at the time, and if he hadn't have fought Baldomir after beating Judah there would have been a far louder outcry.


Being the best fighter in the division isn't much help if no one (sorry no hyperboles, change that to "few people") know who you are. If Floyd had've fought Margarito he would have been criticised for fighting a bum, with Baldomir you can at least say that Floyd was fighting a bum who was the legit champ.

You must have been a pretty hardcore fan during the mid 2000s to know Margarito, the impression I've gotten is that Margarito wasn't known outside of Mexico until he signed with TR.

mayweather was offered 8 mil(huge career high)l to fight margarito. he was also offered 7 mill for cotto. he demanded 10 mill to fight cotto and 20 mill to fight delahoya or he would leave. arum said no so he left. 3 months later he accepted 8 mill to fight baldomir(he had no idea this offer would come when he turned down margarito earlier) this also proves that 8 mill is ok to fight baldomir but not margarito because its less risky.


the outcry is him fighting judah in the first place instead of margarito. why in the world did he fight judah when he just lost to a journeyman? why didn't he fight margarito who was ranked number 1 for the last 3 years? then after beating baldomir did he fight margarito or williams or cotto.............nope

margarito had been on hbo at least 3 times, showtime 3 times, and espn at least twice at that time. saying no one knows who a certain fighter is is a typical excuse duckers use all the time. martinez just used this and fought darren barker who was a true nobody. baldomir had been on hbo(matched soft to preserve a floyd fight down the road) and showtime(brought in to lose to judah) once. why didn't floyd use the who is this guy excuse on him?(because he sucks) margarito was much more popular with the networks on top of being mexican where there is a huge mexican american population in america.

he wasn't known outside of mexico? he had all his fights from 1999 onward in the united states. what are you talking about?

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5.cotto was beating by marg didnt look good against clottey and the fight was at a catchweight of 144lb cotto was dead at the weight

it happened at 145 idio*t

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mayweather was offered 8 mill to fight margarito. he was also offered 7 mill for cotto. he demanded 10 mill to fight cotto and 20 mill to fight delahoya or he would leave. arum said no so he left. 3 months later he accepted 8 mill to fight baldomir(he had no idea this offer would come when he turned down margarito earlier) this also proves that 8 mill is ok to fight baldomir but not margarito because its less risky.


the outcry is him fighting judah in the first place instead of margarito. why in the world did he fight judah when he just lost to a journeyman? why didn't he fight margarito who was ranked number 1 for the last 3 years? then after beating baldomir did he fight margarito or williams or cotto.............nope

margarito had been on hbo at least 3 times, showtime 3 times, and espn at least twice at that time. saying no one knows who a certain fighter is is a typical excuse duckers use all the time. martinez just used this and fought darren barker who was a true nobody. baldomir had been on hbo and showtime once. why didn't floyd use the who is this guy excuse on him?(because he sucks) margarito was much more popular with the networks on top of being mexican where there is a huge mexican american population in america.

he wasn't known outside of mexico? he had all his fights from 1999 onward in the united states. what are you talking about?

Arum offered Mayweather 8 million to fight Marg, Floyd got 8 million from the Baldomir fight. If the Marg fight would have come off Floyd would have took more than 8 million.

But the money is irrelevant, Floyd's excuse for not fighting Marg was that he had a shoulder injury, but he was able to fight Baldomir about a month later from the proposed Marg date.

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Arum offered Mayweather 8 million to fight Marg, Floyd got 8 million from the Baldomir fight. If the Marg fight would have come off Floyd would have took more than 8 million.

But the money is irrelevant, Floyd's excuse for not fighting Marg was that he had a shoulder injury, but he was able to fight Baldomir about a month later from the proposed Marg date.

Geeezz..why do *****s gives so much **** about how Floyd would make. The point is that he didnt have the guts to fight the recognized best fighter division at that time..

Steve Kim was right when he wrote..

"I find it odd that certain fans really seem to have a vested interest in what their favorite boxers earn in the ring and almost feel as though they share in it somehow (Because of that, while they have never been managers or promoters, they certainly like to play them on the Worldwide Web). The Mayweather following seems to be the most guilty of this lunacy. Hate to break it to you guys but being part of the “Money Team” doesn’t get you dental or medical benefits or a pension and it certainly doesn’t get you part of the pay-per-view proceeds. There’s no profit sharing here involved."

Pathetic..lol..