Mayweather only fights the best fighters out there

[915angel]

AT the time yes,, mayweather/hatton is the best 24/7 i seen

[AlwaysOnTop]

some strange and disturbing things being said here

arum never wanted cotto to fight mayweather? he offered floyd 7 million which is 2 million more than floyd had ever made and this is when cotto was at 140. instead floyd rejected that and said he would only fight cotto for 10 million(the same amount he got to fight boxings biggest star delahoya later) even after leaving top rank floyd never returned to cash in on a huge cotto payday so you can stop blaming arum for floyd's reluctance.

the only time anyone said floyd was ducking baldomir was when floyd chose to fight judah coming off a loss to baldomir instead of baldomir himself. why fight a guy who just lost to a journeyman? why not fight the lineal champ or the guy who was ranked number 1 for 3 straight years margarito instead of judah?

also there is a difference between lineal champ and best fighter in the division. zsolt erdei was lineal champ at 175 but no one considered him the best fighter in the division when guys like jones and tarver were in the division. imagine if hopkins had targeted erdei instead of tarver then called himself champ without ever fighting tarver. this is what floyd did fighting baldomir but not margarito or cotto. only *****s defend this kind of nonsense.

as for as nobody knowing who margarito was at the time ummm who was baldomir? at the time margarito had been on hbo(at least 3 times), showtime(at least twice), espn(at least twice) a lot more than baldomir(once on show and once on hbo). margarito had been ranked for many more years than baldomir. margarito had a mexican following. baldomir showed up out of nowhere beat judah then lost to floyd and faded into bolivian losing to a bunch of guys .margarito's been around for ten plus years.

Unlike Margarito...Baldomir can throw a straight punch..

Unlike Margarito....Baldomir was able to hurt Clottey....Pac and Cotto didn't come close..

Mayweather ACCEPTED Arum's offer to fight Margarito for 8 million...

The famous 8 million offer to fight Tony was a MULTI fight deal....
It included:
6 mil for Hatton(LOL..as if Tony was ever worth more than Ricky)
6 mil for Cotto(LOL..for the same reason above)
10 mil for Oscar...

Floyd...not being a damn fool counter with:
8 mil for Tony..ACCEPTED
10 mil for Hatton
10 for Cotto
20 for Oscar...

Arum RAN straight to the media and said:

"Mayweather is delusional...sometimes you gotta' know when to hold them and when to fold them"

Floyd bought-out his Top Rank contract and left Arum the bitter old shell of a fool you see today..

Do YOU think Hatton was worth LESS than Margarito..???

What would you have done in Floyd's place..??

[915angel]

why fight margarito for 8 million,, when you got baldo for 12 million plus the title?

[AlwaysOnTop]

why fight margarito for 8 million,, when you got baldo for 12 million plus the title?

Arum disrespected Floyd with 6 million a piece for Hatton and Cotto...and only 10 million for Oscar...

Tony was never more popular than Hatton and Cotto...especially back then..

Bob screwed himself because Floyd made WAY more than 6 million fighting Hatton and 10 mil fighting Oscar..

Arum lost out on all that Hatton and Oscar money..

[nodzilla]

Not to diss, but it seems that you really didn't follow the division closely back then. Remember more importantly than who is when.



Again, more importantly than who is when.



He wasn't a bum. But, he was a tough journeyman/fringe contender level fighter.



I won't argue that. But, he couldn't carry margarito jockstrap.



Nobody? This is not true. Lets not use hyperbole.



Floyd also had negotiations with Margarito after Judah lost to Baldomir. Which is weird since Marg was a "nobody" but whatever. Either way he still went on with the Judah fight.

Who is this "everyone" that said mayweather was ducking Baldomir? Brian Kenny? Is he the be all and end be all(no disrespect to Brian Kenny, I actually liked him on FNF's) of boxing public opinion?

But, of course if Floyd was going to fight Judah, then yes why not fight the guy that actually beat him instead. It makes sense for that to be said.

I'm not denying that Baldomir was the lineal champ. But, lineal champ does not mean you're the best fighter in the division. You falling into the trap in believing that it equates to each other.

And, please stop playing Floyd as the victim. No one would have said he would have been ducking Malignaggi. Let's cut the nonsense shall we?



Yea, you can't fight for the title if you don't pay the sanctioning fee.



He was dropped against a Euro-Bum level fighter early in his career, early in the fight. But, was visibly put on ***** street and almost KTFO by Collazo.



Judah was more flashy thank slick. But, yea we will agree to disagree on that one.

They were not prospects though man. Floyd already had achieved ATG status in a division and then moved up to beat the greatest LW in the last 15 years twice. He was 3 division title holder, and a 2 division lineal champ. Judah was a 2 division title holder and a former unified, undisputed, lineal champ. They had accomplished their feat already. Hell Floyd was a HOF'er before even going to WW.




Margarito was recognized as the best in the division. While Baldomir was recognized as the lineal champ.

And, my point is that Hatton wasn't smaller than Mayweather. He wasn't stronger than Floyd. But, he also wasn't smaller.



Yea Floyd had fought in September of 09' and Mosley in January of 09'

He was Knocked Down early in his career, in the first round, but he wasn't Hurt, he was more off balance. If you haven't seen the fight, don't comment. He was rocked by Collazo, but he didn't go down. Hatton's durability suffered greatly after Tszyu. He walked through people, until he move to WW. If you don't give Mayweather any credit, you don't give credit to his opposition. It's a losing battle.
You have to respect Mayweather, in order to understand his resume and the way he defeated his opposition. The people that claim Mayweather isn't good/great, are those that are in love with Manny Pacquiao (the majority of them). A few posts ago, someone called him boring, and claimed Pacquiao was a Knock Out Machine.

Mayweather is beautiful to watch. There's technique, speed, and defense in the things he does. I guess if you love pure boxing (the sweet science), you should appreciate the way he wins, and how he fights.

Manny is more explosive, but he hasn't had a stunning KO since Hatton. I'm not going to go into how Hatton's punch resiliency had been completely depleted by then, because I respect Pacquiao, and he deserves the win. Once you sign the contract, it's on you to find a way to win.

But he isn't a KO machine. He should have finished Clottey, who landed 6 uppercuts and fcuked up his face.

He should have finished Cotto sooner.

Margarito was too durable.

Marquez has his number.

Mosley ran away from him. He should have caught Mosley, and finished him, but he couldn't.

Mayweather has fought good opposition. If you say he cherry picked, then the same goes for Manny. But in order for that arguement to come to a close, you have to respect both fighters, and what they've done in their careers. I'm rambling, cause I hate when no one credits Hatton, so I'm out.

[nodzilla]

Hatton was number 8 on the p4p list when Mayweather fought him. Also ranked number one jr welterweight.

[jrosales13]

He was Knocked Down early in his career, in the first round, but he wasn't Hurt, he was more off balance. If you haven't seen the fight, don't comment. He was rocked by Collazo, but he didn't go down. Hatton's durability suffered greatly after Tszyu. He walked through people, until he move to WW. If you don't give Mayweather any credit, you don't give credit to his opposition. It's a losing battle.
You have to respect Mayweather, in order to understand his resume and the way he defeated his opposition. The people that claim Mayweather isn't good/great, are those that are in love with Manny Pacquiao (the majority of them). A few posts ago, someone called him boring, and claimed Pacquiao was a Knock Out Machine.

Mayweather is beautiful to watch. There's technique, speed, and defense in the things he does. I guess if you love pure boxing (the sweet science), you should appreciate the way he wins, and how he fights.

Manny is more explosive, but he hasn't had a stunning KO since Hatton. I'm not going to go into how Hatton's punch resiliency had been completely depleted by then, because I respect Pacquiao, and he deserves the win. Once you sign the contract, it's on you to find a way to win.

But he isn't a KO machine. He should have finished Clottey, who landed 6 uppercuts and fcuked up his face.

He should have finished Cotto sooner.

Margarito was too durable.

Marquez has his number.

Mosley ran away from him. He should have caught Mosley, and finished him, but he couldn't.

Mayweather has fought good opposition. If you say he cherry picked, then the same goes for Manny. But in order for that arguement to come to a close, you have to respect both fighters, and what they've done in their careers. I'm rambling, cause I hate when no one credits Hatton, so I'm out.

This is post is kind of all over the place. And a lot with irrelevant information.

I didn't say he was hurt when he got dropped. I just said he got dropped. Which he did. The hurt/***** street/almost KTFO comment was related to the Collazo fight. So where exactly did I make a comment of something that I don't know or haven't seen?

Never mentioned in this thread at all. That Pac had crazy power or a KO machine or whatever else you're blabbing about.

And, the rest of you post is just a rant that doesn't have anything to do with my post.

[IronDanHamza]

Since you know...where was Hatton rated??

you tell us..

EVERYBODY wanted to see Hatton/Mayweather..

P4P he was #8 at the time.

I wanted to see Mayweather-Hatton to. But, why everyone say's he was Top 5 P4P when Mayweather fought him, I don't know. Because he wasn't.

I see the same people saying it after they've been corrected 10+ times.

[nodzilla]

This is post is kind of all over the place. And a lot with irrelevant information.

I didn't say he was hurt when he got dropped. I just said he got dropped. Which he did. The hurt/***** street/almost KTFO comment was related to the Collazo fight. So where exactly did I make a comment of something that I don't know or haven't seen?

Never mentioned in this thread at all. That Pac had crazy power or a KO machine or whatever else you're blabbing about.

And, the rest of you post is just a rant that doesn't have anything to do with my post.

Yeah, sorry about that. That wasn't a reply to your thread, just the Hatton thing caught my eye, and I hit reply. But yeah, it was a rant.

[ADP02]

No, Floyd putting the OST wasn't a wrench. If it was a wrench Pac wouldn't have originally accepted it. But, it is what it is.

Even if Floyd felt he didn't need a tune and would have fought Manny in the long layoff. It would have done him no good. Because, Manny already had his eyes against JMM. The talk was already going on when he signed to fight Ortiz.

Yea of course when both want the fight the fight would made. What's your point? That's irrelevant to what I'm saying. Anyways, again Floyd in his last 2 fights fought the best available opponent. You can spin it anyway you want so it can fit your agenda. But, it doesn't change that Mosley and Ortiz were the highest rank WW's after Floyd and Pac.

I don't buy all that and the reason is that one can't say that Manny was not available for ~2.5 years where Floyd only fought Ortiz and Mosley. If Floyd really wanted to fight the best out there, the Manny fight was there to be made and therefore available. I'm not one to blame Floyd completely on this because it takes 2 to tango but I'm quite sure that if Floyd wanted this fight as bad as let's say the Oscar fight, this would have happened already.

If Floyd really wanted to fight Manny instead of Ortiz, Floyd could have been in discussions with Manny's team way before Marquez's name was even mentioned ... it's not like Floyd was fighting someone at the time. He was on vacation and that is NOT a good excuse for me.

After watching the Marquez fight, I actually think that this was the first time that Floyd was really wanting this fight since he realized that Manny is not invincible.... the first time that it "falsely" appeared that Floyd wanted this fight to happen, I was ready to change my mind about him but then he pulled the no 50/50 card!