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  • Rigo Simply Isn't in Donaire's Class

    (The following is from an article on ESPN.com by Michael Woods. I posted the first part, "Rigondeaux Has Been Ready All Along," in another thread.)

    A word of caution to Guillermo Rigondeaux, and to Rigo fans: Nonito Donaire ain't Rico Ramos.

    Things Rigondeaux was able to do against Ramos last Friday in Las Vegas en route to a KO-6 victory, putting a claim on Ramos' WBA junior featherweight crown, won't be so easy to pull off against Donaire, a man on a different talent tier.

    If they clash, if Rigo sticks and moves -- and let's be up front here, he often sticks lazily, with a half-ass jab -- I'm pretty confident Donaire won't track him down with the same attitude that Ramos did. That is to say, with not enough attitude.

    Even when the 9-0 Rigondeaux is being aggressive, so much of his time is spent feinting. Donaire, who debuts at 122 on Feb. 4 against Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., isn't going to go for that stuff. I see him cracking the lefty with a left hook after he sees a lame-o feinty jab. Repeatedly.

    I would expect Rigo to revert to the form I've noted in him before. I foresee him being excessively defensive, as he was in a SD-12 win against Ricardo Cordoba on the Pacquiao-Margarito undercard in November 2010. The man just doesn't throw enough punches to bother Donaire or take him out of his preferred rhythm.

    I repeat: Donaire is no Ramos, who in Round 6 of the Rigondeaux clash complained about being held and hit, wasn't able to work through discomfort to his left eye and then went to the canvas off a left hand to the body and was counted out. To put it delicately, Ramos didn't exude the spirit of an ultimate warrior in that clash, so anyone who bumped Rigondeaux, 31, up a few notches in their rankings might want to rethink it. He isn't in Donaire's class, despite having fought around 400 amateur bouts, despite his winning a crown in just his ninth pro scrap.

    Rigo hasn't lost a bout since 2003, in the amateurs. But Donaire, busier and more powerful, would end that streak.

  • #2
    That "half-assed jab" isn't really a jab, it's a measuring stick Rigo uses and he does to have the distance and also to hope to lure his opponent to strike. So I don't like how the author wrote that. It's NOT intended to land at all.

    And great counter punching, defensive fighters will almost ALWAYS take away offensive fighters rhythm, so another bad example (see pac vs jmm, hopkins vs tito, etc etc etc).

    If Nonito was out of rhythm against his last opponent, Rigo would even be more of a challenge with his fantastic speed, reflexes and body attack.

    Now, that isn't to say Rigo clearly beats Donaire or anything like that. Honestly it's a tough fight to call. But to say Rigo isn't in Donaires class is an absurd statement imo. Maybe as far as being a star and draw power goes, but not as far as boxing skills. It's a great matchup any way you slice it.

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    • #3
      I love it.

      Donaire was considered the best at 112, despite the best fighters fighting each other and him only beating one top guy.

      Same **** at 115.

      then at 118, the best have been fighting each other, and outside of Montiel, Donaire fought no one there as well.

      Flash forward to 122, Rigondeaux is clearly one of the best, if not the best, and will leave that division having only fought Vazquez (****in joke of a fight) and Arce (another joke of a fight) while the boxing world will consider him the best.

      Donaire, while talented, is the king of fantasy fights. There is so much "well Donaire would KO this guy anyway, so there is no point in fighting) talk in every division he has been that it's really put me off to this guy.

      Even Floyd's hoe @ss actually got in the ring and fought top names, despite his ducking, to atleast warrant him praise. Donaire and his fans are pathetic.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fvck LamarSmith View Post
        Even Floyd's hoe @ss actually got in the ring and fought top names, despite his ducking, to atleast warrant him praise. Donaire and his fans are pathetic.
        that's a little harsh donaire has fought some good names Vic Darchinyan, Volodymyr Sydorenko (who gave Anselmo Moreno everything he can handle twice), Montiel & tyson marquez.

        but I agree he does get a bit of a pass not fighting the other top names cuz it's just assumed he beats them easy.

        Arce is an OK fight I guess but as far as I'm concerned the only two guys really worth fighting for Donaire at 122 is Toshiaki Nishioka & Rigondeaux.

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        • #5
          btw The Ring has 122 ranked as follows:

          1. Toshiaki Nishioka
          2. Guillermo Rigondeaux
          3. Akifumi Shimoda
          4. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym

          So yeah, clearly Rigo is one of the top guys

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          • #6
            rico ramos was just gun shy against rigondeaux...but i think donaire beats rigondeaux. all donaire needs to do is land one hard and clean shot.. if donaire rattles rigo even just once I think that's enough to take away rigondeaux's confidence just like in the cordoba fight. rigondeaux will need to have a lot of heart if he is going to face a top caliber opponent like donaire..

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            • #7
              I'm a big nonito fan but RIgo would beat him any day of the week

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
                that's a little harsh donaire has fought some good names Vic Darchinyan, Volodymyr Sydorenko (who gave Anselmo Moreno everything he can handle twice), Montiel & tyson marquez.

                but I agree he does get a bit of a pass not fighting the other top names cuz it's just assumed he beats them easy.

                Arce is an OK fight I guess but as far as I'm concerned the only two guys really worth fighting for Donaire is Toshiaki Nishioka & Rigondeaux
                TBH, and this is just my opinion, but Arce is a ridiculous fight.

                I mean when Vazquez Jr. picked him it was considered a cherry pick as Arce wasn't even a top 115, and only fought/beat bums there and at 118.

                Yes he beat Vazquez Jr. but that had more to due with WV2 being a prospect and overrated.

                Now most will look at this as hate, but really look at Arce's record over the past 5-6 years and I doubt anyone can truly say he is a top fighter.

                Last good win IMO, outside of Vazquez, was Alvarez in 06, and his epic fight against Husein Husein in 05.

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                • #9
                  rigo has to take some more challenging fights to at least build a decent drawing power. let's face it, donaire already commands a sizable fight purse...you can't just put him against an unpopular opponent and expect to make money. you only do that for tune-up fights like when donaire fought narvaez coming from a lay-off. but even that fight was a big disappointment to everyone including top rank when narvaez refused to fight. they were expecting to build donaire's star power and the opposite happened.

                  donaire-rigo at this point does not make business sense and top rank will not do it...reality bites.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fvck LamarSmith View Post
                    TBH, and this is just my opinion, but Arce is a ridiculous fight.

                    I mean when Vazquez Jr. picked him it was considered a cherry pick as Arce wasn't even a top 115, and only fought/beat bums there and at 118.

                    Yes he beat Vazquez Jr. but that had more to due with WV2 being a prospect and overrated.

                    Now most will look at this as hate, but really look at Arce's record over the past 5-6 years and I doubt anyone can truly say he is a top fighter.

                    Last good win IMO, outside of Vazquez, was Alvarez in 06, and his epic fight against Husein Husein in 05.
                    I don't think it's a good fight I think it's an ok fight. I understand from a business perspective it's pretty good money, arce has a bit of a following and it will be entertaining since arce comes to fight (for however long it lasts). It's a fan friendly fight I guess is what I'm saying.

                    Now, as far as fighting the best goes, hell no, arce isn't even even a top 10 fighter at 122, so obviously there are much better fights out there. But I get it.

                    What I hope, which I doubt will happen, but it would be great if Donaire takes care of Vazquez/Arce, meanwhile Rigo beats another solid opponent, and maybe they can fight at the end of the year. Slim chance that can happen though.

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